Stupid World

[mashman]

Thing is a lot of these successful "assholes" also manage to use their business talents to help turn charities around from the brink of bancruptcy. You can vilify the likes of Branson and Gates but they have done far more for charity (and in some cases mankind) than anyone of us will ever do. That's a bitter pill for some people to swallow - yes some people are smarter and more successful than you and me. And even if you took all their wealth away from them given enough time they would be back where they were.

Why is charity required? So that people can look good because they donate to a group that have to beg for funding in order to look after people who society has pushed to the side. Their doo-gooding perpetuates the need for charity. Fuckin pathetic and utterly self-serving from an image perspective.

[mashman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYHmQT_7a2c


Are there no prisons?

same as same as...

maybe ocean1 is a scrooge in disguise

Whaddaya mean in disguise

[Ocean1]

Whether successful or unsuccessful, we ALL rely on others producing stuff. Just because you pay for it does not mean that you have somehow magic'd away the supply chain of people that have contributed towards that which you have produced, let alone the supply chain of people that have supported your customers. One day I hope that sinks in.

Oh I’m fully aware of every single item and service that goes into making up my products, trust me, I’m the one writing the cheques. I’ll say that again, I’m the one paying for every component, every hour’s labour AND a metric shitload of costs completely unrelated to the product. Now listen carefully to this bit: It’s the difference between that and what I sell for that represents the value I add. That bit’s all mine. I earned it.

That’s the real business world. The one that’s made up not of evel slave driving mill owners, but of privately owned small and medium enterprises. The ones adding enough value to their products to represent 80% of this economy.

But I don’t actually expect you to bury your century old class war’s bogyman, after all it’s the only thing preventing you from having to admit that every man is worth just what he earns. And that’d be the end of your lovely wee world, innit?

Aye, them parasites at the top can sure do a fuckload of damage in their pursuit of success... but who cares eh, so long as they're rewarded accordingly they will be seen revered by the fucktard brigade as something to aspire to.

Nowhere near the damage toxic imported class orientated and laughably obsolete ideologies does.

But whatever, I’m sure you find aspiring to fuck all and bleeding the productive sector keeps you warm of a night.

Ah yes, the entitlement complex. That's the onlything that trickles down in this world... and yet you don;t like the taste of your own medicine

I’ll repeat myself as far as to insist that every man is entitled to that which he earns. Anything beyond that and you’re off into your preferred wah wah fantasy territory.

If you listen to the criticism, it's usually in regards to how people are doing their job and in general they do have an alternative way of doing things. It's extremely positive behaviour, yet the bully boys who think they know better, yet know next to fuck all about how things work, shit all over it because it shows them up for the useless fucktards that they are. Fear of being wrong driving that ignorance... but hey, don't let a good prejudice get in the way of your well rounded view of why there is whinging in the first place.

Yeah? Where’s the expert, professionally presented opinions about better alternatives in this thread? Certainly every single one of your contributions is singularly ignorant, poorly informed, abusive and inflammatory.

Which, as I said is worth absolutely nothing but derision. But, yet again, come up with a viable, intelligently thought out alternative and you might get some traction. Hint: abuse and retreat into 19th century unionist propaganda isn’t constructive criticism.

In the meantime those WITH the wherewithal to invest in alternatives are free to do whatever the fuck they like with their money, in spite of your abuse.

Oh how droll... yet so very wrong. The thread is about many things and just about every single one of them can be addressed by "my" very rational alternative. Your statement would probably carry some weight if you knew what "my" alternative was, but you don't. Probably one of the reasons why you're not elite.

Well excuse me if I see it differently. Most posts here are uninformed, hysterical rants at some unreliably reported political decision, mostly in another country, mostly completely irrelevant to anyone here. Most of ‘em are yours. So I’ll stick with “this whole thread is your serial bitch about how you don't like the way other people manage shit, and I'd say that pointing out your invariable failure to offer any rational alternatives is right on the money.” Which far from being wrong on any level is a far more accurate description of the thread.

As for “your” alternative, if you had one that works without wizards we’d have seen it. Nothing you’ve ever dribbled leads me to suspect you’re hiding any workable, revolutionary new economic philosophy. So quit criticising other’s decisions unless you can offer cogent, intelligent, workable alternatives. Again: piss or get off the pot.

And ‘elite”? is a concept that labels you as someone who thinks in terms of classes of people. Yet another thing in which your obsolete cultural model leaves your perceptions of the real world horribly distorted.

From what I've read the reason behind not using thorium was because plutonium had a faster reaction and produced a better bang for buck given the tech available. Short-sighted "experts", well, politicians and money men making decisions on scientific ability and capability is rife and needs to be eradicated. Fortunately I know of an alternative that can achieve that end. The bogeymen are real dude, but as per usual, it doesn't fit your argument and out comes the derision. Weak dude, real weak. Hang on, you're one of them bogeymen arencha?

So if you like Thorium based nuke tech go spend your dime. The rest of us can yell encouragement or abuse, as they see fit.

You know fuck all, you simply can’t accept that other people have the right to make decisions about their own money.

Any yes, I’m one of those that rather think that they do.

They're wrong and they're stupid. I am offering up an alternative where they can be right, whereas you, my myopic friend, are hiding behind some fucked up notion that financial success is the best we can aspire to let alone achieve. So much weakness in one little package, I'm surprised that your brain can process the information and signals required for creating a post. Having said that, you look to be running on natural reflex more than purposeful action.

Right. Everyone else is wrong and everyone else is stupid.

What a fucking relief you’ve got the good oil and can put ‘em all straight.

[jonbuoy]

Why is charity required? So that people can look good because they donate to a group that have to beg for funding in order to look after people who society has pushed to the side. Their doo-gooding perpetuates the need for charity. Fuckin pathetic and utterly self-serving from an image perspective.

So the only reason you donate to charities is to feel/look good?

[mashman]

So the only reason you donate to charities is to feel/look good?

I don't any more and when I did, it was for those who I thought were getting the benefits of my donation.

[Ocean1]

I don't any more and when I did, it was for those who I thought were getting the benefits of my donation.

Quite right, far better to donate like so: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/9334...m-in-financing

[mashman]

Oh I’m fully aware of every single item and service that goes into making up my products, trust me, I’m the one writing the cheques. I’ll say that again, I’m the one paying for every component, every hour’s labour AND a metric shitload of costs completely unrelated to the product. Now listen carefully to this bit: It’s the difference between that and what I sell for that represents the value I add. That bit’s all mine. I earned it.

That’s the real business world. The one that’s made up not of evel slave driving mill owners, but of privately owned small and medium enterprises. The ones adding enough value to their products to represent 80% of this economy.

But I don’t actually expect you to bury your century old class war’s bogyman, after all it’s the only thing preventing you from having to admit that every man is worth just what he earns. And that’d be the end of your lovely wee world, innit?

So you know how much the cleaner at the office where your components come into NZ is paid? As I said, I hope it sinks in some day.

And?

Class war? You really think I'm coming from a position where class matters? Fucksake, just keep listening to your own voice, you seem to enjoy that over listening.

Nowhere near the damage toxic imported class orientated and laughably obsolete ideologies does.

But whatever, I’m sure you find aspiring to fuck all and bleeding the productive sector keeps you warm of a night.

Yawn.

I’ll repeat myself as far as to insist that every man is entitled to that which he earns. Anything beyond that and you’re off into your preferred wah wah fantasy territory.

Oh I understood what you meant, but that's one way traffic... your entitlement complex and the rather large chip on your shoulder is about as much entertainment as I can handle at the moment.

Yeah? Where’s the expert, professionally presented opinions about better alternatives in this thread? Certainly every single one of your contributions is singularly ignorant, poorly informed, abusive and inflammatory.

Which, as I said is worth absolutely nothing but derision. But, yet again, come up with a viable, intelligently thought out alternative and you might get some traction. Hint: abuse and retreat into 19th century unionist propaganda isn’t constructive criticism.

In the meantime those WITH the wherewithal to invest in alternatives are free to do whatever the fuck they like with their money, in spite of your abuse.

Interesting change of subject. However the links I post refer, primarily, to those singularly ignorant, poorly informed, abusive and inflammatory "experts" you're looking for. Feel free to browse the links.

Sorry, I was just responding in kind to your posts as I figured that was the only way you could communicate. If you can;t get past the simple concept of, there's enough food in the world for everyone, yet not everyone gets that food because it costs too much money, then you're not looking at the argument intelligently.

I didn't say they weren't.

Well excuse me if I see it differently. Most posts here are uninformed, hysterical rants at some unreliably reported political decision, mostly in another country, mostly completely irrelevant to anyone here. Most of ‘em are yours. So I’ll stick with “this whole thread is your serial bitch about how you don't like the way other people manage shit, and I'd say that pointing out your invariable failure to offer any rational alternatives is right on the money.” Which far from being wrong on any level is a far more accurate description of the thread.

As for “your” alternative, if you had one that works without wizards we’d have seen it. Nothing you’ve ever dribbled leads me to suspect you’re hiding any workable, revolutionary new economic philosophy. So quit criticising other’s decisions unless you can offer cogent, intelligent, workable alternatives. Again: piss or get off the pot.

And ‘elite”? is a concept that labels you as someone who thinks in terms of classes of people. Yet another thing in which your obsolete cultural model leaves your perceptions of the real world horribly distorted.

I know right, imagine posting a link up and imagining that different people would respond differently to the post. The GFC didn't happen here yet the affects were felt. That's not what the whole thread is about at all, it merely highlights that that's what is happenening all over the world. Pretty hard to draw any other conclusion when looking at it objectively and with people in mind. So your description is far from accurate.

Why should I stop criticising other's decisions? It is my right as a human being to want people to stop being such selfish pricks and then claiming that it's ok because that's the way it is. Sigh, if you can't get past the way things are, you aren't going to understand that "my" alternative is cogent, intelligent and workable. You're the one putting up the barriers, not me. You're the one who's happy to see the distribution of food around the world be limited by the amount of budget available or the amount of money that any given entity is willing to put into such an unprofitable venture. I can only assume that you believe that those people are unworthy of being fed and should die.

No other reason eh? Why am I not surprised.

So if you like Thorium based nuke tech go spend your dime. The rest of us can yell encouragement or abuse, as they see fit.

You know fuck all, you simply can’t accept that other people have the right to make decisions about their own money.

Any yes, I’m one of those that rather think that they do.

I'd rather there needn't be a dime to be spent and that those who want to spend their time advancing that tech can do so. After all, it's for everyone.

bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa... I accept it alright, but I think it's an inefficient way to use the resources that this planet gave us all for free. Mother nature didn't sell parts of the planet to pockets of govts ya know, some thief took them and claimed them as their own, and wrongfully so. And for the record, I doubt the aliems sold it to us either.

Of course you do, you know no better. Your loss.

Right. Everyone else is wrong and everyone else is stupid.

What a fucking relief you’ve got the good oil and can put ‘em all straight.

Not everyone.

I do. I'll get there.

[mashman]

Quite right, far better to donate like so: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/9334...m-in-financing

That's too high-brow for me. I was thinking more along the lines of Cancer Research, The Blind/Deaf Appeals, Schools/clubs wanting to take their kids overseas for events etc...

Having said that, why do they need venture capitalists? What's wrong with putting a plan together and taking a loan from the bank?

[jonbuoy]

I don't any more and when I did, it was for those who I thought were getting the benefits of my donation.

I´m sure a lot of wealthy people think the same. Some wealthy people have got that way because the wealth has been passed from generation to generation. Some have got that way because they have a talent for running businesses that can turn a profit and can turn failing businesses around to make money. Its a talent or "gift" some people have, a talent like professional sportsmen, musicians, artists, writers, scientists have.

[mashman]

I´m sure a lot of wealthy people think the same. Some wealthy people have got that way because the wealth has been passed from generation to generation. Some have got that way because they have a talent for running businesses that can turn a profit and can turn failing businesses around to make money. Its a talent or "gift" some people have, a talent like professional sportsmen, musicians, artists, writers, scientists have.

Yup, some wealthy people see it for what it is. Aye, some folk have a great talent for business.

[Ocean1]

I'd rather there needn't be a dime to be spent and that those who want to spend their time advancing that tech can do so. After all, it's for everyone.

But they can. Although some of us aren't qualified, in which case there's fuck all point spending our time "advancing" that tech. In which case we use the time doing what we do best, and giving the money so earned to those who are qualified.

Tough concept, I'll give you that. But if you spend a bit of time....

Nah, you'll always be a fuckwit.

bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa... I accept it alright, but I think it's an inefficient way to use the resources that this planet gave us all for free. Mother nature didn't sell parts of the planet to pockets of govts ya know, some thief took them and claimed them as their own, and wrongfully so. And for the record, I doubt the aliems sold it to us either.

No. They all appeared from a bankers arse.

As you were.

[mashman]

But they can. Although some of us aren't qualified, in which case there's fuck all point spending our time "advancing" that tech. In which case we use the time doing what we do best, and giving the money so earned to those who are qualified.

Tough concept, I'll give you that. But if you spend a bit of time....

Nah, you'll always be a fuckwit.

No. They all appeared from a bankers arse.

As you were.

Whilst qualifications are relevant, they're not a requirement for anything in plenty of cases. Any first has been trial and error, even when it comes to playing with nuclear materials. I'd rather see all of the research being done so that our options aren't limited, especially by money, ya know, the stuff that the leading economist in the country went on TV and announced was pulled out of thin air... the value being given by nothing more than user confidence.

I understand the concept fine, albeit I see it as a pretty archaic way of doing things these days.

[mashman]

Economics students aim to tear up free-market syllabus... How dare they question the established order set by the qualified professionals and experts of the economic world.

[jonbuoy]

Yup, some wealthy people see it for what it is. Aye, some folk have a great talent for business.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...e-away-1721394

Yup they do don't they!

[Ocean1]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...e-away-1721394

Yup they do don't they!

Careful, dude, you'll get your hand bit.