MotoGP 2013

[Oscar]

I like this - it sums up the whole Phillip Island debacle and asks some searching questions of Dorna.

Ah, the wonders of hindsight.
Tell me, when Dorna found out that their tyre supplier had cocked up, what should they have done?
Do you think the teams were consulted?

[Oscar]

Pretty much what I've said already. And this? Correct MM haters. "It was a safety measure destined to cause an accident, and it was fortunate that the Marquez-Lorenzo altercation was the only one. Marquez held track position and racing line. Lorenzo, with much greater speed, was technically at fault for the collision, but responsibility ultimately lies with the Dorna think-tank that came up with the idea, especially after demanding that all riders pit and swap bikes on one of only two laps. Clearly, only the best and brightest work at Dorna." Like I say...if the disq of MM costs him the title...it's a very very sad day/time for Moto GP racing. All credit to Lorenzo if he does win it for riding at Assen with a freshly smashed collar bone...and all those that said he was mad to will have to have a shit sandwich. But it'll still be a very hollow victory as far as I'm concerned if he does.

Still on the rag, I see.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Still on the rag, I see.

Lol. Nah. Happy as Oscar. Just think the show is a bit fucked up at the mo.

[Oscar]

Lol. Nah. Happy as Oscar. Just think the show is a bit fucked up at the mo.

From a completely selfish point of view, it made for a great race in Aussie and an interesting finish to the season.

[Crasherfromwayback]

From a completely selfish point of view, it made for a great race in Aussie and an interesting finish to the season.

Can't argue with that Oscar!

[imdying]

if the disq of MM costs him the title...it's a very very sad day/time for Moto GP racing

Nup. He knew when to come in. He sped into the pits. He hit somebody on the way out. Ok I want to see the guy I picked (JL) win for sure, but MM is kick arse and I want him to win too... at this level rubbing is racing, I've no problem with the other stuff this year, but that nigger can count just fine, and the rules were quite clear to everyone else.

[Bender]

Ah, the wonders of hindsight.
Tell me, when Dorna found out that their tyre supplier had cocked up, what should they have done?
Do you think the teams were consulted?

1: The tyre supplier should not have cocked up. There is universal condemnation of Bridgestone for not testing at PI when it was widely known to have a new high-grip surface. This was an unforgivable mistake (and, arguably, would not have happened if there was competition in the tyre supply side).

2: The way MotoGP is run is developed/argued about by a wide range of people who review it to the Nth degree. It's when something doesn't conform to these pre-determined parameters that Dorna loses the plot. They make poor decisions. That article points to three in particular - forcing the riders to come in over a two-lap period, the second is regarding placement of the pit exit road, the third the ludicrous and inconsistent penalties levied for the riders who transgressed.

Pedrosa having to drop a place? That was just a bloody farce.

Marquez being DSQ'd? As the article says - it pissed all over a year's work by Honda and has affected the championship results.

Was the punishment worthy of the crime?

I don't think many people would say it was.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nup. He knew when to come in. He sped into the pits. He hit somebody on the way out. Ok I want to see the guy I picked (JL) win for sure, but MM is kick arse and I want him to win too... at this level rubbing is racing, I've no problem with the other stuff this year, but that nigger can count just fine, and the rules were quite clear to everyone else.

You've got the wrong *nigger*. MM didn't speed in the pits. Pedro did. He got a fine that was fair enough...but there's no reason whey MM's should've been any worse. And re look at the *collision*. Even Lorenzo agrees he was more at fault. But I do agree that the rule were the same for every cunt...just that the penalty does not match the crime. That's a crock of shit.

[Oscar]

1: The tyre supplier should not have cocked up. There is universal condemnation of Bridgestone for not testing at PI when it was widely known to have a new high-grip surface. This was an unforgivable mistake (and, arguably, would not have happened if there was competition in the tyre supply side).

2: The way MotoGP is run is developed/argued about by a wide range of people who review it to the Nth degree. It's when something doesn't conform to these pre-determined parameters that Dorna loses the plot. They make poor decisions. That article points to three in particular - forcing the riders to come in over a two-lap period, the second is regarding placement of the pit exit road, the third the ludicrous and inconsistent penalties levied for the riders who transgressed.

Pedrosa having to drop a place? That was just a bloody farce.

Marquez being DSQ'd? As the article says - it pissed all over a year's work by Honda and has affected the championship results.

Was the punishment worthy of the crime?

I don't think many people would say it was.

Tyre Suppliers
Do you not watch Moto2?
Neither tyre supplier tested.

I don't recall MM complaining about his DSQ for breaking rules that he and his team agreed to in writing.
The poor decisions were made by HRC.

As for the rest - you have my wife's grasp of hindsight.
It's easy to be clever after the fact.

[Crasherfromwayback]

As for the rest - you have my wife's grasp of hindsight.
It's easy to be clever after the fact.

What's your wife's email addy? I'm telling on you!

[Oscar]

What's your wife's email addy? I'm telling on you!

sybil@fawlty_towers.co.uk

[Dave-]

1: The tyre supplier should not have cocked up. There is universal condemnation of Bridgestone for not testing at PI when it was widely known to have a new high-grip surface. This was an unforgivable mistake (and, arguably, would not have happened if there was competition in the tyre supply side).

From what the guy said at the start of BBC coverage, it sounds like they didn't have the option to test at phillip island.

I think MM's disqualification was justified as it was a rule set in place to protect the safety of the riders and even spectators.

You've all seen MM's tyre after 10 laps the danger was very real.

Ride through penalties should be reserved for sportsmanship rule breaking like jumping the start, cutting a corner, etc

[imdying]

You've got the wrong *nigger*. MM didn't speed in the pits. Pedro did. He got a fine that was fair enough...but there's no reason whey MM's should've been any worse. And re look at the *collision*. Even Lorenzo agrees he was more at fault. But I do agree that the rule were the same for every cunt...just that the penalty does not match the crime. That's a crock of shit.

I saw pedobear's crazy effort, and I saw MM's too, and he was just as hot on the way in. JL was on the track, MM was entering it, case closed there too as far as I can see, although they should have been able to gas it right the way out to reduce the closing speeds more than they were.

It's all moot though; everyone else managed to count just fine, and that's what he was nicked on. So long as the penalty of disqualification was outlined at the start, I'm happy. I don't like it when they get to make up the outcome as they go along.

[Oscar]

From what the guy said at the start of BBC coverage, it sounds like they didn't have the option to test at phillip island.

I spoke to the Race Director three hours before the race and he certainly seemed to think that testing could have and should have been done by both tyre suppliers months previously.

He was a wee bit wound up at the time.

[pritch]

I liked the attitude in that article.

"Mandatory, not optional, pit-stops and changing of bikes. Within a two-lap window, not at rider’s or team’s discretion. In a category where Dorna are already in danger of impeding the racing with restrictions, the mandatory bike change was ridiculous. Why not just allow the option to change?"

The answer to that question is because Bridgestone would not guarantee the tyres past ten laps. Simple. And looking at that pic of MMs tyre they got that right if nothing else.

Would have been really interesting if it started to rain just before the change though, that would have caused major panic.

As for the Dorna circus, it's what you get when the people running it don't know motorcycles - and Ezpalata doesn't. You also get a situation where a half length Moto2 race, which would normally only qualify for half points is awarded full points, but it isn't as if that greatly favoured anyone. Oh hang on...