Russell Brand vs. Jeremy Paxman

**Big Dave** · 30th October 2013, 15:46

Give me ambiguity - or give me something else!

Quick mind, lateral 'finker', surprisingly articulate and engaging talker - agreeable because he is stating the obvious - but marching nowhere in particular with his end of days placard.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 30th October 2013, 15:46

Originally Posted by Tazz

Bugger this money noise. Maybe we should just go back to bartering with chickens and blankets.

Didn't work for the Maoris. They want money now instead!

**Tazz** · 30th October 2013, 16:16

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Didn't work for the Maoris. They want money now instead!

haha, yeah well there is a lot to be said on both sides of that argument in all fairness, but without going down that slippery slope I was reading about this when I was still living in Chch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_banking

Apparently Lyttleton was making good use of the system at the time. Has its flaws and is more of a 'as well as', but it's awesome in a lot of respects.

**Bikemad** · 30th October 2013, 16:18

yeah i don't really think brand told us anything we didn't already know........been going on for hundreds of years.............you know the old rich get richer blah blah blah............will be going on for hundreds of years after we are all gone too............he never once came up with what he wants to see...........only what he doesn't want to see under his new regime so to speak.......heard it before somewhere...........he's not related to Winston Peters is he?

**Crasherfromwayback** · 30th October 2013, 16:30

Originally Posted by Tazz

haha, yeah well there is a lot to be said on both sides of that argument in all fairness, but without going down that slippery slope I was reading about this when I was still living in Chch:

.

Yeah I know mate...was merely keeping myself amused!

**Voltaire** · 30th October 2013, 16:37

Will I am is out of the Black Eyed Peas. he comes from a poor background, uses his money to help others.
http://will.i.am/category/philanthropy/
I can't recall if he was better than Russell Brand in the Economically Priced car test

**mashman** · 30th October 2013, 16:43

Originally Posted by Ulsterkiwi

yes actually, I did. I critiqued his response to this interview opportunity. The interview was clearly set in place to find out what exactly he was envisaging happening and he clearly hasn't thought it through. The man is as entitled to his opinions as the next but I do believe he was given a golden opportunity to make solid proposals (even one would have been good) about how to realise his ideas and he blew it. He heavily criticised the political classes for not doing anything, fair enough, but he then did exactly what politicians do which is talk up his ideas but never actually get around to substantiating how those ideas might work. Look I am not saying he has to have every detail worked out but lets just say for one minute that the people of the UK were to say "ok Russell mate, lets do it your way, all executive power sits with you now, we will do things the way you suggest, so....what now?" what would he do? He is like every other amateur who looks on and says of a professional " I can do that, easy!" Its all well and good until it comes to actually delivering.

And what is a critique anyway? Do you know? I didnt make any comment about whether I agreed with him or not, or whether I find his jokes funny. The test I applied was whether or not he had answered the question asked, a question he had formulated himself. He was being interviewed about his vision of how to make the world a better place because he proposes the current system of democracy isnt working. Great! Not even Paxman was disagreeing with him. I genuinely wanted to hear what his ideas were but he failed to deliver. So, did he answer his own question? No, he described it and extended the definition, he has not added to the knowledge or understanding around the problem. Thats a fail.

Holy shit an intelligent reponse. I agree that some of the questions were related to his vision, but as he said at the start and then reiterated par way through, he had 10 minutes to explain an entirely revamped economy, let alone a single project, whilst also fielding the usual stupid questions, one of which was the singularly most ridiculous question of "why should we listen if you don't vote". What I hope you'll bare in mind is that this guy is very busy and doesn't have access to the thousands of marketing, advertising, PR, spin doctoring agencies that the govt does. Given that, I'd say he did rather well. He's sewn the seeds for a return interview and I hope that next time he'll have a bit more to say on the subject and perhaps the questions will be wholly related to the subject.

He described the goals, he reiterated those goals as he went, he stayed on message and described the requirements of a system that he'd like to see. I'm more than happy to give the guy some time to consider how to get where he wants to get, as he obviously has the fire for it and I seriously doubt he's going to let that go. Won't you reconsider your definition of fail?

**mashman** · 30th October 2013, 16:47

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

Hang on, did you just agree with me? did you just just post that brand was a hypocrite?

you need to watch more than left leaning you tube clips to gain your knowledge.

If we fucked off who would you argue with?

Nope, it was still under the context of Billy and his richy rich mates being hypocrites... something I don't believe they are and not for the same reasons as you use.

Left leaning

. Now that's an exceptional example of a fail.

I survived without arguing for decades and it goes against my usual being... but some things are worth fighting for and if that makes me argumentative, then so be it.

**BoristheBiter** · 30th October 2013, 17:05

Originally Posted by mashman

Nope, it was still under the context of Billy and his richy rich mates being hypocrites... something I don't believe they are and not for the same reasons as you use.

Left leaning

. Now that's an exceptional example of a fail.

I survived without arguing for decades and it goes against my usual being... but some things are worth fighting for and if that makes me argumentative, then so be it.

You can't have it both ways, although i guess you would enjoy that, they are all the same.

Yeah you're right, more like left lying down and cuddling a lot.

"What I hope you'll bare in mind is that this guy is very busy and doesn't have access to the thousands of marketing, advertising, PR, spin doctoring agencies that the govt does. "

What fucking planet are you on? he has the pr spin doctors from the entertainment industry, they can make anything look how they want.

**mashman** · 30th October 2013, 17:11

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

You can't have it both ways, although i guess you would enjoy that, they are all the same.

Yeah you're right, more like left lying down and cuddling a lot.

"What I hope you'll bare in mind is that this guy is very busy and doesn't have access to the thousands of marketing, advertising, PR, spin doctoring agencies that the govt does. "

What fucking planet are you on? he has the pr spin doctors from the entertainment industry, they can make anything look how they want.

Look, it's ok, you can say you don't understand... and whilst that won't be a surprise, you're in very good company.

Does he have the pr spin doctors though? Prove it. He still doesn't have millions of staff paid for by the population of the UK, well, not yet anyway.

**BoristheBiter** · 30th October 2013, 17:22

Originally Posted by mashman

Look, it's ok, you can say you don't understand... and whilst that won't be a surprise, you're in very good company.

Does he have the pr spin doctors though? Prove it. He still doesn't have millions of staff paid for by the population of the UK, well, not yet anyway.

I wouldn't say you're good company.

Prove it......hmmmmm... let me see. how about all the advertising for all the movies, tv and stand up shows.

What's that is not pr spin? who do you think lined up that interview?

**mashman** · 30th October 2013, 17:28

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

I wouldn't say you're good company.

Prove it......hmmmmm... let me see. how about all the advertising for all the movies, tv and stand up shows.

What's that is not pr spin? who do you think lined up that interview?

Meh.

Could that have been those who are selling the tickets and not him?

Did he mention his show?