Russell Brand vs. Jeremy Paxman

[mashman]

Not always true. It will be the poor who start the fires - and the rich who will be unable to help them to prevent them starting the fires.

Who is John Galt?
He is the great destroyer apparently. Or the guy who could have fixed it but didn't

Who is Howard Roark?
He was the person who didn't want to do things the traditional way. Because it was ineffective.

If we can kill off fictional characters.....my guess is this guy is next in the real world

The poor? Dunno about that. I reckon it'll be the kids across all financial classes.

Galt: Could have fixed it but didn't? or could have fixed it but was never given the chance?

Roark: Sounds like a sensible fulla... shame he wasn't given the chance to stretch his legs.

Mebee. Guess he won't be the first or the most famous.

[Ocean1]

Hypocrisy is an easy label to hide behind. It's amusing to think that the people calling him a hypocrite haven't taken any steps to raise the issue themselves. Kinda puts their opinion into perspective.

You don't like the label?

That's unfortunate, 'cause it's perfectly accurate.

The people that are calling him a hypocrite don't think there is anything wrong with the system so why would they want to change it?

Aye.

And there's plenty that can see the hypocrisy while acknowledging that there's things wrong with the system.

[Thaeos]

Revolution sounds good, if only because I'd like to sit back and watch it.

[mashman]

You don't like the label?

That's unfortunate, 'cause it's perfectly accurate.

Aye.

And there's plenty that can see the hypocrisy while acknowledging that there's things wrong with the system.

As I've said to you before, I am aware of my hypocrisy as you see it. I have no problem with the label where those using it, as mentioned earlier, hide behind it to paint a picture where the system that we currently live under is perfect.

And as it's you... your perfect system is based on the premise where society has an economy to look after those who live within that society, with the right whinge bent of, look after those who work i.e. pay a fair days wage for a fair days work etc... It also purports to manage the resources being used as best as it can to the benefit of those within that society, again you may attach the right whinge bent. That system is failing people time and time again, so hiding behind that is nothing more than mindless denial. If you are denying that the system is imperfect, then your use of hypocrisy is not only deeply ironic, but carries about as much weight as the fart that has just squeezed out from between my cheeks. In fact if your denial was the smell, I would have likely accidentally killed my family with that last one whereas a known hypocrisy fart would have barely had their nasal hairs twitching.

Ours is a world you'll never understand. And you always fear what you don't understand. Don't be scared, we'll be gentle.

[Ocean1]

As I've said to you before, I am aware of my hypocrisy as you see it. I have no problem with the label where those using it, as mentioned earlier, hide behind it to paint a picture where the system that we currently live under is perfect.

And as it's you... your perfect system is based on the premise where society has an economy to look after those who live within that society, with the right whinge bent of, look after those who work i.e. pay a fair days wage for a fair days work etc... It also purports to manage the resources being used as best as it can to the benefit of those within that society, again you may attach the right whinge bent. That system is failing people time and time again, so hiding behind that is nothing more than mindless denial. If you are denying that the system is imperfect, then your use of hypocrisy is not only deeply ironic, but carries about as much weight as the fart that has just squeezed out from between my cheeks. In fact if your denial was the smell, I would have likely accidentally killed my family with that last one whereas a known hypocrisy fart would have barely had their nasal hairs twitching.

It's not just hypocrisy as I see it, it's a generally accepted term for those that fail to behave as they expect others to. And it's a good thing you are a in fact hypocrite, anybody else would have serious difficulty living living with the shame of failing to live up to their own expectations.

And I've never mentioned anything about what I might consider to be a perfect system, you continue to insist on seeing bogeymen that aren't there. Which sorta makes your deep and meaningful bogeyman analysis complete crap, dunnit?

Ours is a world you'll never understand. And you always fear what you don't understand. Don't be scared, we'll be gentle.

Is it just hypocrites that need to pretend they know best? Or is there the odd fuckwit in there with you?

[mashman]

It's not just hypocrisy as I see it, it's a generally accepted term for those that fail to behave as they expect others to. And it's a good thing you are a in fact hypocrite, anybody else would have serious difficulty living living with the shame of failing to live up to their own expectations.

And I've never mentioned anything about what I might consider to be a perfect system, you continue to insist on seeing bogeymen that aren't there. Which sorta makes your deep and meaningful bogeyman analysis complete crap, dunnit?

Is it just hypocrites that need to pretend they know best? Or is there the odd fuckwit in there with you?

Are you saying that those who would like more equity in society wouldn't accept that which they espouse? Coz if not, that kinda blows your hypocrisy argument outta the water, innt? I live up to my expectations, no worries there, else I'd do something about it.

You did say that there was nothing wrong with the system? Or where you disassociating yourself from that view?

Better, not best and no, it's not the sole preserve of the so called hypocrite. There are many fuckwits that feel the same way about how things could be done betterer.

[husaberg]

It's not just hypocrisy as I see it, it's a generally accepted term for those that fail to behave as they expect others to. And it's a good thing you are a in fact hypocrite, anybody else would have serious difficulty living living with the shame of failing to live up to their own expectations.

And I've never mentioned anything about what I might consider to be a perfect system, you continue to insist on seeing bogeymen that aren't there. Which sorta makes your deep and meaningful bogeyman analysis complete crap, dunnit?



Is it just hypocrites that need to pretend they know best? Or is there the odd fuckwit in there with you?

Are you saying that those who would like more equity in society wouldn't accept that which they espouse? Coz if not, that kinda blows your hypocrisy argument outta the water, innt? I live up to my expectations, no worries there, else I'd do something about it.

You did say that there was nothing wrong with the system? Or where you disassociating yourself from that view?

Better, not best and no, it's not the sole preserve of the so called hypocrite. There are many fuckwits that feel the same way about how things could be done betterer.

If you too are ever single at the same time i reckon you should get married

[bluninja]

If you too are ever single at the same time i reckon you should get married

Nah, imagine the divorce....how would they split their belongings and money?

[Ocean1]

Are you saying that those who would like more equity in society wouldn't accept that which they espouse? Coz if not, that kinda blows your hypocrisy argument outta the water, innt? I live up to my expectations, no worries there, else I'd do something about it.

The ones that are already free to do exactly what they expect others to do, and don't?

Yes.

But you go right ahead and give enough of your income and assets to the poor so they have what you do and I’ll apologise immediately.

I’ll even be moderately sincere.

You did say that there was nothing wrong with the system? Or where you disassociating yourself from that view?

Never have said there was nothing wrong with "the system". Far too much disparity between effort and return to start with.

Better, not best and no, it's not the sole preserve of the so called hypocrite. There are many fuckwits that feel the same way about how things could be done betterer.

“Knows best” is a term often used in describing hypocritical behaviour. That’s why I used it in reference to hypocrites. An actual hypocrite in this case, as opposed to one of your fuzzy “so called hypocrites”. I’m funny like that, like to say what I mean.

And you don’t need to be a hypocrite or a fuckwit to want things organised differently, most people do, those tag’s tend to be reserved for those who just want other people to do stuff they don’t bother doing themselves.

Now fuck off and earn your keep, before the boss notices you’re not worth the price of a pile of cold rancid tripe.

[mashman]

Nah, imagine the divorce....how would they split their belongings and money?

If he's got the kids, he can have it all.

[mashman]

The ones that are already free to do exactly what they expect others to do, and don't?

Yes.

But you go right ahead and give enough of your income and assets to the poor so they have what you do and I’ll apologise immediately.

I’ll even be moderately sincere.

I would say that they're waiting for the environment to do just that. Children of 2 worlds iffen ye like. Until then, why disadvantage your family and those who rely upon you due to you being a child of 2 worlds? I wouldn't refer to that as hypocrisy. Anyway, who's expecting anyone to do anything different than they already do? I'm expecting others to do exactly what they are currently doing.

Why is it then when anyone talks of income redistribution etc... they must instantly give everything away? I'm all for the govt taking more tax from me to pay for the poor... although I'd rather we changed the way the system worked and we did what we do now but without the financial constraint/penalty results that we constantly fight and argue over.

Never have said there was nothing wrong with "the system". Far too much disparity between effort and return to start with.

My apologies, I misread your quote earlier. I agree, there is.

“Knows best” is a term often used in describing hypocritical behaviour. That’s why I used it in reference to hypocrites. An actual hypocrite in this case, as opposed to one of your fuzzy “so called hypocrites”. I’m funny like that, like to say what I mean.

And you don’t need to be a hypocrite or a fuckwit to want things organised differently, most people do, those tag’s tend to be reserved for those who just want other people to do stuff they don’t bother doing themselves.

Now fuck off and earn your keep, before the boss notices you’re not worth the price of a pile of cold rancid tripe.

Horse for courses, I guess it's how you use the term and in this case, it is the motion in the Ocean.

So, everyone then.

I guess their valuation depends on how much work they have for me. Fortunately that's their problem.

[husaberg]

Nah, imagine the divorce....how would they split their belongings and money?

I'd rather imagine the divorce than the wedding night.
I just noticed they both live in Wellington as well..........

[mashman]

[wharekura]

So a way to cause change is by not voting - what an idiot.

Preaching to the naive and the stupid through his wit and charm. Try telling black South Africans that voting does not cause change.

Yes, so when the people do vote on non-binding ref like the fluoridating of Hamilton water - even though around 70% said put it back in the water - it seems the council mite be a wee bit scared of the bullying rhetoric tactics of the anti-fluoride brigade. They tend to like using words like "mass medication - last used by the Nazis".

So yes, Mr Brand, it does seem voting in some cases is a waste of time. I was going to suggest Mr Brand to run in politics - but his naïve and stupid followers wont vote - because he advocates this?

'nuff said.

[BoristheBiter]

So a way to cause change is by not voting - what an idiot.

Preaching to the naive and the stupid through his wit and charm. Try telling black South Africans that voting does not cause change.

Yes, so when the people do vote on non-binding ref like the fluoridating of Hamilton water - even though around 70% said put it back in the water - it seems the council mite be a wee bit scared of the bullying rhetoric tactics of the anti-fluoride brigade. They tend to like using words like "mass medication - last used by the Nazis".

So yes, Mr Brand, it does seem voting in some cases is a waste of time. I was going to suggest Mr Brand to run in politics - but his naïve and stupid followers wont vote - because he advocates this?

'nuff said.

They are waiting on the outcome of the legal case in Taranaki before making a decision but it did seem they were going to put it back in.
I do think it is a non issue, if you don't want it then put in a tank and if you do want it then put it in yourself.
Not to hard to figure out.

As for Brand i agree. what a twat.