Drug testing?

[jellywrestler]

yet I can drink 2L of V in an hour and

then get on Kiwibiker...

[steveyb]

That's never happened to me. I feel no different if I don't smoke for a week, or if I smoked heavily the night before.

Now we know you actually talking absolute crap for the sake of it to try and make some half-arsed anarchistic point.
If you have no effects from smoking dope then why bother doing it, or you are so sensitized to it that you have reached a constant level of intoxication that you now understand to be your norm. I know I went from being a A/B student at school to a B/C student after I got into a bit of the herb. If you "don't feel any different" you are bullshitting everyone, especially yourself.

The science of cause and effect of THC and alcohol (being the two most common recreational drugs) is irrefutable.

When a drug impaired driver ploughs into your family next Friday night in the city, I want you to state, in public, that is was OK for him/her to be out there cos it is their free choice and yours for sharing the road with them.

(I had put Wanker and the end of my post, but thought I would take it out to be diplomatic).

[Katman]

Legal highs were banned weren't they?

You should probably pay a little more attention to current affairs rather than opening your mouth and proving you don't know what you're talking about.

[Katman]

Now we know you actually talking absolute crap for the sake of it to try and make some half-arsed anarchistic point.
If you have no effects from smoking dope then why bother doing it, or you are so sensitized to it that you have reached a constant level of intoxication that you now understand to be your norm. I know I went from being a A/B student at school to a B/C student after I got into a bit of the herb. If you "don't feel any different" you are bullshitting everyone, especially yourself.

You don't read too good, do you Steve?

[SMOKEU]

Now we know you actually talking absolute crap for the sake of it to try and make some half-arsed anarchistic point.
If you have no effects from smoking dope then why bother doing it, or you are so sensitized to it that you have reached a constant level of intoxication that you now understand to be your norm. I know I went from being a A/B student at school to a B/C student after I got into a bit of the herb. If you "don't feel any different" you are bullshitting everyone, especially yourself.

The science of cause and effect of THC and alcohol (being the two most common recreational drugs) is irrefutable.

When a drug impaired driver ploughs into your family next Friday night in the city, I want you to state, in public, that is was OK for him/her to be out there cos it is their free choice and yours for sharing the road with them.

(I had put Wanker and the end of my post, but thought I would take it out to be diplomatic).

I'm stating facts, not "some half-arsed anarchistic point" as you state. Just because you can't handle weed doesn't mean that everyone else is a pussy like you are. I'm consistently getting some of the better grades in my studies toward my diploma at polytech, and there have been several exams where I've come in the top 2 out of a class of 10-15 people. I don't see how weed makes people as stupid as you say it does, as my academic results speak for themselves. There have been several papers that I've passed with an A or A- grade overall, and one where I got an A+ overall. So that makes me such a huge failure, doesn't it?

Of course I get effects after smoking up, but those effects do not present themselves once the intoxication is over. I'm not "so sensitized to it that you have reached a constant level of intoxication that you now understand to be your norm" as I don't even smoke every day, and the days that I do toke up I'm not doing it all day long. I do my studies when I'm sober, and then have a puff to relax at the end of a hard day. The effects of alcohol on ones driving ability is far greater than having a puff of pot, and you'd have to be a bit dumb or ignorant to think otherwise.

There is a huge difference between use and abuse; abusing ANYTHING can be harmful. People have died from drinking too much water, and looking at the obesity rate of NZ goes to show what overeating does and the severe damage it does to the body. Excessive exercise has also been proven to be harmful. Caffeine has been known to kill people, too. So the point is, whatever you do, do it in moderation.

[EJK]

[SMOKEU]

I'm still waiting for a justifiable excuse to keep criminalizing cannabis, other than "drugs are bad, mkay".

[bluninja]

I'm stating facts, not "some half-arsed anarchistic point" as you state. Just because you can't handle weed doesn't mean that everyone else is a pussy like you are. I'm consistently getting some of the better grades in my studies toward my diploma at polytech, and there have been several exams where I've come in the top 2 out of a class of 10-15 people. I don't see how weed makes people as stupid as you say it does, as my academic results speak for themselves. There have been several papers that I've passed with an A or A- grade overall, and one where I got an A+ overall. So that makes me such a huge failure, doesn't it?

That all depends on the standard of papers you are taking...Sadly I've scored 1000 (perfect score) in a Microsoft exam...that doesn't show great brain function, merely that the exam was pretty simple.

Of course I get effects after smoking up, but those effects do not present themselves once the intoxication is over. I'm not "so sensitized to it that you have reached a constant level of intoxication that you now understand to be your norm" as I don't even smoke every day, and the days that I do toke up I'm not doing it all day long. I do my studies when I'm sober, and then have a puff to relax at the end of a hard day. The effects of alcohol on ones driving ability is far greater than having a puff of pot, and you'd have to be a bit dumb or ignorant to think otherwise.

You need to compare apples with apples instead of making fallacious statements. Most people don't consume alcohol all day long or every day either. A single unit of alcohol may have less effect than a single puff of pot depending on the strength of the drug and the size of the puff. You'd be a bit dumb or ignorant to think otherwise. Or should we compare a sip/gulp/swallow of alcohol with a puff of pot....just compare apples and apples.

There is a huge difference between use and abuse; abusing ANYTHING can be harmful. People have died from drinking too much water, and looking at the obesity rate of NZ goes to show what overeating does and the severe damage it does to the body. Excessive exercise has also been proven to be harmful. Caffeine has been known to kill people, too. So the point is, whatever you do, do it in moderation.

Yes and no, use to heavy use to abuse to addiction is a continuum and not some objective fixed points. Who decides what is use, what is use and what is moderation?

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

I'm still waiting for a justifiable excuse to keep criminalizing cannabis, other than "drugs are bad, mkay".

For someone who claims to get 'A' grades in exams you dont come across as very smart!!

Some of us see the reults of drug abuse every day and have to work at cleaning the mess up they have made of themselves, the devastation wrought on thier families........and their victimes.

But hey its not the drugs fault eh its just a natural plant what harm can it do

[SMOKEU]

That all depends on the standard of papers you are taking...Sadly I've scored 1000 (perfect score) in a Microsoft exam...that doesn't show great brain function, merely that the exam was pretty simple.

You need to compare apples with apples instead of making fallacious statements. Most people don't consume alcohol all day long or every day either. A single unit of alcohol may have less effect than a single puff of pot depending on the strength of the drug and the size of the puff. You'd be a bit dumb or ignorant to think otherwise. Or should we compare a sip/gulp/swallow of alcohol with a puff of pot....just compare apples and apples.

Yes and no, use to heavy use to abuse to addiction is a continuum and not some objective fixed points. Who decides what is use, what is use and what is moderation?

1. I was stating my results in relation to the other students, most of whom probably don't smoke weed. It's not a subject I bring up with my fellow students, so I don't have any statistics to give as to how many do or don't smoke up.

2. Being shitfaced drunk (up to the point of vomiting) will undeniably cause more impairment than being very stoned after smoking as much as the user can smoke. If you don't believe me, go to a jay day sometime, and then go to a busy nightclub or pub in the early hours of Saturday or Sunday morning when the drinkers are likely to have reached their peak levels of intoxication. Make some observations and compare the differences in the general conduct of the different groups.

3. An addiction or problem drug use is when the substance negatively affects the day to day life of the user, like getting in the way of work or family commitments. If the user can't easily go a single day or 2 without their substance of choice, then that's an addiction. As I said before, I regularly stop smoking buds for a few consecutive days, with no withdrawal symptoms, and in any given week I never smoke every single day. Cannabis is not physically addictive in the way alcohol, tobacco or caffeine are.

[bluninja]

I'm still waiting for a justifiable excuse to keep criminalizing cannabis, other than "drugs are bad, mkay".

Just from a social point of view links have been found between the increase in availability of alcohol retail outlets and increase in alcohol related issues (addiction, domestic violence, public nuisance). They've also been found between the number of pokie machines and gambling addictions and it's social fallout. IF we decriminalise yet another recreational drug, or addictive vector what's the chances that the crime and social consequences of that drug will skyrocket? After all there are loads of people running round stealing shit to pay for their weed; you think that will decrease just cos it became legal?

Personally I believe all adults should be able to make a balanced judgement on what they inhale, ingest, or inject without those things being illegal. However the user should accept that laws should be in place to protect other people from their drug influenced actions (banning in public places, workplaces, whilst operating vehicles etc) and accept severe consequences if they harm anyone.

[SMOKEU]

For someone who claims to get 'A' grades in exams you dont come across as very smart!!

Some of us see the reults of drug abuse every day and have to work at cleaning the mess up they have made of themselves, the devastation wrought on thier families........and their victimes.

But hey its not the drugs fault eh its just a natural plant what harm can it do

It's incredibly naive to make a blanket statement about the negative effects of drugs in general without being more specific. Nutmeg is a drug, and so is paracetamol, methamphetamine, caffeine, tobacco and codeine. The effects of those substances are vastly different, and comparing a casual pot smoker to a junkie is a bit silly at best. I have no doubt that some drugs can be extremely harmful to the user, and their family, hence the reason why I've never taken any hard drugs.

[SMOKEU]

Just from a social point of view links have been found between the increase in availability of alcohol retail outlets and increase in alcohol related issues (addiction, domestic violence, public nuisance). They've also been found between the number of pokie machines and gambling addictions and it's social fallout. IF we decriminalise yet another recreational drug, or addictive vector what's the chances that the crime and social consequences of that drug will skyrocket? After all there are loads of people running round stealing shit to pay for their weed; you think that will decrease just cos it became legal?

Personally I believe all adults should be able to make a balanced judgement on what they inhale, ingest, or inject without those things being illegal. However the user should accept that laws should be in place to protect other people from their drug influenced actions (banning in public places, workplaces, whilst operating vehicles etc) and accept severe consequences if they harm anyone.

Your first paragraph is exactly the type of politically correct nonsense that we are plagued by as a society. We live in a state of diminished responsibility, so rather than holding an individual responsible for their own actions, we punish the majority for the actions of the minority. Just look at what happens in court cases every day "It's not little Johnny's fault he bashed the dairy owner and robbed him, he was drunk at the time and addicted to xyz drug and needed money for his fix". We need to hold the individual user responsible for their own actions, and stop passing the blame. If I fuck up, then I am willing to admit fault and accept the repercussions, rather than using society as a scapegoat. If people are addicted to gambling, then it's THEIR fault, not the pokies. No one forced the gambler to gamble. They CHOOSE to gamble. If people drink too much alcohol and cause problems, again, it was their CHOICE to drink alcohol and act like a complete fuckwit.

The people that really want to smoke buds will already be doing so. Legalizing it will not cause a dramatic long term increase in the number of users. I've never met a single person who has said "I really want to smoke weed, but I'm too scared of getting arrested". If weed were legal there would certainly be less crime surrounding it, and prices would probably decrease accordingly.

[insomnia01]

Golden Go WIllie

[haydes55]

I'm all for legalising weed, but this topic is about testing, not legalising.

As it stands weed is illegal, the government has deemed it as a harmful substance with risks associated with consumption (whether medical or social). As an entity SNZ are required to represent racers to promote the sport, assist running meetings and do their best to ensure any action to improve chances of safety are taken.

SNZ is not big enough to conduct studies and determine if a certain level of THC is safe or not, nor should it be their issue. There is no line to draw because any level will be challenged. If they say you must have below x.xxg/L of THC in your system to race, the police would rape SNZ in court if they investigate a crash.

The current rule is zero tolerance. Same with alcohol. If a racer blows a 0.001 on the breathalyzer they get a 12 month ban.