Drug testing?

**Drew** · 12th November 2013, 16:22

Originally Posted by vinducati

I think drug testing is a good idea.
They need to make sure sidecar racers are on drugs, cause that's is surely the only reason a racer would approach a bike and not notice it has one to many wheels.

We are the first ones to get tested. For that very reason I think.

**Katman** · 12th November 2013, 17:26

Originally Posted by haydes55

All I know is the press release. I've mentioned twice before I don't have an answer (so not sure how that's studiously avoiding?).

I know the legal highs were made illegal and they made new batches with new active ingredients, the law changed to bring the burden of proof of safety onto the manufacturer so not sure if any are still available to buy?

I see your ability to research the issue of legal highs hasn't improved any since the start of the thread.

http://www.legalhighs.co.nz/syntheti...ober-2013/2013

Your desire to crucify any motorcycle racer who shows a presence of THC in their system (regardless of how long it's been since they were impaired by it), and yet ignore whether there's any way of testing for the presence of legal highs, shows your argument is full of shit.

**Drew** · 12th November 2013, 20:07

Originally Posted by Katman

I see your ability to research the issue of legal highs hasn't improved any since the start of the thread.

http://www.legalhighs.co.nz/syntheti...ober-2013/2013

Your desire to crucify any motorcycle racer who shows a presence of THC in their system (regardless of how long it's been since they were impaired by it), and yet ignore whether there's any way of testing for the presence of legal highs, shows your argument is full of shit.

To say that because he isn't aware of testing for different stuff, that his argument is invalid is totally unreasonable and unrealistic.

Nothing has changed regarding the weed debate. Smoke drugs, get caught, Fuck off.

**Madness** · 12th November 2013, 20:23

Originally Posted by Drew

Smoke drugs, get caught, Fuck off.

Just don't trip over as you fuck off through the thick cloud of hypocrisy or there'll undoubtedly (I know you love that word Drew, I put it in just for you) be an ensuing OSH investigation.

It seems this "dilemma" is nothing new, I though this bit was particularly interesting...

Originally Posted by Evan Harding, Southland Times

The Southland Times has been told by separate sources this month that some blue collar workers are also turning to harder drugs to beat workplace drug testing. This is because harder drugs leave their systems quicker than cannabis, they said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-tim...-to-beat-tests

**Drew** · 12th November 2013, 20:35

Originally Posted by Madness

Just don't trip over as you fuck off through the thick cloud of hypocrisy or there'll undoubtedly (I know you love that word Drew, I put it in just for you) be an ensuing OSH investigation.

It seems this "dilemma" is nothing new, I though this bit was particularly interesting...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-tim...-to-beat-tests

I'm not sure I follow what it is you're trying to say. Is it that because weed shows up for a long time, that it's the fault of the organisers of race events that it's members might start taking 'harder' drugs?

**skippa1** · 12th November 2013, 20:39

Originally Posted by Madness

It seems this "dilemma" is nothing new, I though this bit was particularly interesting...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-tim...-to-beat-tests

This is true......I know (I do know this too) a number of people in our industry are on the burn as it's out of the system in 48 or so hours.......
fucken losers

**Madness** · 12th November 2013, 20:44

Originally Posted by Drew

I'm not sure I follow what it is you're trying to say. Is it that because weed shows up for a long time, that it's the fault of the organisers of race events that it's members might start taking 'harder' drugs?

Far from it Drew.

The article I posted suggests that the use of piss tests is so fundamentally flawed that I could give up my J-a-day Cannabis habit tomorrow and take to stuffing class-A drugs in my arm & up my arse like a proper junkie, just as Hayden has eluded to being common practice and take a day or three off before I can pass the SNZ test & go racing. Either this or I quit the herb tomorrow & buy a shipper full of the latest & greatest "legal-high" product that doesn't show on a piss test & hoon like fuck on it right up until I drive through the main gate to the track.

And that's a safer outcome than allowing a responsible low-level Cannabis user to race? (providing they're not apparently munted on race day, of course)

PC, Press-release-cock-waving-bullshit-exercise fail. NZDDA must love muppets like the ones at SNZ.

**haydes55** · 12th November 2013, 20:58

Originally Posted by Katman

I see your ability to research the issue of legal highs hasn't improved any since the start of the thread.

http://www.legalhighs.co.nz/syntheti...ober-2013/2013

Your desire to crucify any motorcycle racer who shows a presence of THC in their system (regardless of how long it's been since they were impaired by it), and yet ignore whether there's any way of testing for the presence of legal highs, shows your argument is full of shit.

you're right. I should research more. Unfortunately for me I don't have internet at home (I can use tapatalk on my phone to check kiwibiker).

You've proven you can find the answer to your own questions without saying "you're the OP with the question, you should know all the answers".

You're Katman, isn't your slogan "you can't rely on anyone else to keep you safe"?

You don't need to rely on anyone else to find the answer to what you can google yourself in 2 minutes and link the results up.

**jellywrestler** · 12th November 2013, 21:24

Originally Posted by Drew

We are the first ones to get tested. For that very reason I think.

i remember a team tooting up before riding at one of the street meetings, they were put in their place rather rapidly...

**Drew** · 13th November 2013, 05:28

Originally Posted by Madness

Far from it Drew.

The article I posted suggests that the use of piss tests is so fundamentally flawed that I could give up my J-a-day Cannabis habit tomorrow and take to stuffing class-A drugs in my arm & up my arse like a proper junkie, just as Hayden has eluded to being common practice and take a day or three off before I can pass the SNZ test & go racing. Either this or I quit the herb tomorrow & buy a shipper full of the latest & greatest "legal-high" product that doesn't show on a piss test & hoon like fuck on it right up until I drive through the main gate to the track.

And that's a safer outcome than allowing a responsible low-level Cannabis user to race? (providing they're not apparently munted on race day, of course)

PC, Press-release-cock-waving-bullshit-exercise fail. NZDDA must love muppets like the ones at SNZ.

There's just one thing that keeps springing to mind. The harder drugs that leave your system, have no chance of impairing you if they don't show up in a piss test. Cannabis on the other hand, might show up because someone had a 'wake and bake' before they got out of bed.

As for the legal highs, I didn't think there were any available at the moment. But a search shows a bunch of stuff that can be purchased, (or could when the website was last updated).

I dunno what the answer is to test for them though, it didn't go into it or link it in any way.

**Kiwi Graham:Me** · 13th November 2013, 06:17

The test kits being trialled by MNZ all test for more than just THC

**jellywrestler** · 13th November 2013, 06:22

Originally Posted by Drew

There's just one thing that keeps springing to mind. The harder drugs that leave your system, have no chance of impairing you if they don't show up in a piss test.

As for the legal highs, I didn't think there were any available at the moment.

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never been near any of that shit but i'm sure despite being out of ones system some would have left some sort of side effects whether it be severe lack of sleep or similar

what about those whove brought up large and have a stash of legal highs? after all, fireworks aren't all used by 5th november are they???

**unstuck** · 13th November 2013, 06:40

Tested some drugs yesterday that get the big

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**Katman** · 13th November 2013, 07:21

Originally Posted by haydes55

You've proven you can find the answer to your own questions without saying "you're the OP with the question, you should know all the answers".

You don't need to rely on anyone else to find the answer to what you can google yourself in 2 minutes and link the results up.

Why should I feel it's my responsibility to find out whether a urine test picks up the presence of legal highs?

If you're so concerned about rider safety and ridding the racetrack of any traces of psychoactive substances I would have thought you would make it a priority to find out for yourself.