Denial....... Balls you say.... Have you sayOriginally Posted by Akzle
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Denial....... Balls you say.... Have you say
KB's Chief Cats
yes. and i shave them with a cut throat razor. that takes some..... balls....Denial....... Balls you say.... Have you say
Anarchic Wild Child
I'm not going to engage in this debate - the request by the lawyer is just bullshit - we joke about it sometimes .. but to take it seriously shows a profound misunderstadning on many levels .. so I'll let it go at that ...
Except for this ...
That's just BULLSHIT ... BULLSHIT and BULLSHIT ... there's no foundation for that stament ... it's complete racist bullshit ... much the same as "women have smaller brains than men and therefore should not be involved in politics and should not vote - they should stay home and look after the kids "
Just bullshit ..
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
And this ...
Yes - I agree. There should be a level playing field ...
When I see two women charged with shoplifting minor items from Countdown (two separate instances) and one goes to jail and the other gets a fine ... and it's the Māōri one that goes to jail ..
Tell me how that shows a level playing field ??
When a Māori group challenges the question of ownership through the courts and the courts say "Interesting question - let's run it through the legal system" and the Government says "Can't have that" and pass laws denying that Māori group their day in court -
Tell me how that is a level playing field ...
White people's law favours white people
Capitalist law favours capitalists ...
Yes, do the crime - do the time .. but don't tell me the law favours Māori .. it so demonstratably does not ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Don't forget to bring a towel
Then why are Maoris overrepresented in the prison statistics in comparison to white people? I'm just stating facts as I see them. You're the one who deems those facts to be "racist".
Watchful Old Bird
Well the police and courts are in the business of catching and processing criminals so thats who end up in the prisons. If the percentage doesnt match the population spread thats unfortunate , not racism.
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Watchful Old Bird
or should we impose demographic quotas to make it match. Almost as silly as discount for ethnicity.
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Hardcore Biker
There may be a fact in what you said, but then there's this huge leap/assumption which really just shows your mindset rather than anything factual. Besides, I thought you were fairly open about being a white supremacist?
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Forum whore
That's not the whole story though is it... chances are high that the Maori woman has prior offences.
Forum whore
He is saying that whatever causes that, it's not genetic, which appears to be a fair argument. Given that genetics being responsible is your argument, it's up to you to prove it, not for him to refute it. I'm not a geneticist, so I don't have an opinion. I think rustyrobot highlighted the flaw in your statement.
Anarchic Wild Child
That's a complicated answer ...
Firstly, because lower socio-economic groups (poor people) are over represented in prison populations .. Māori make up a good chunk of our lower socio-economic groups .. so do poor people have a pre-disposition to commit crimes??? I think not ...
Secondly, it's a consequence of colonization - across the world colonized people are over represented in prison populations ... that does not excuse the behaviour - crime needs to be punished - but the long term social solutions to crime should be different ...
Now I will not use either of those factors to argue for more lenient treatment for Māori in the courts ... crime is crime and should be punished ... but the court system is not a level playing field for Māori ...
Studies like QUince's 1999 work are easy to find
This does not mean that Māori commit more crimes - it means that, having been caught by police doing something wrong, they are more likely to be charegd than a non-Māori person .. and having been charged are more likely to be convicted than a non-Māori person ...Maori adults were 3.8 times more likely tob be prosecuted than non-Maori and 3.9 times more likely to be convicted of an
offence.
Nine times as many Maori than non-Maori are remanded in custody awaiting trial.
It means the police are less inclined to issue a warning, or offer diversion .. why ???
It means that a jury is more likely to view a Māori person as guilty than a non-Māōri person ... Why?? Jury seats are filled with racist shitheads like you or something ??
Why ??? Why are Māori more likely to get a custodial sentence than non-Māori ???As well as disparities at the front end in the over-policing, charging and conviction of Maori, there are differences in the outcomes imposed on Maori in the criminal justice system. Seven times as many Maori as non-Maori are given a custodial
sentence upon conviction.
Maori are far less likely to be granted leave for home detention, or to receive a fiscal penalty.
Why should not Māōri get home detention - like the rest of the population??? Why do we get jailed instead of fined - fined like the non-Māori ???
It sure looks like a racist system to me ...
So, I am not defending Maori crime .. it occurs and it needs to be punished - But don't quote stats at me to show Maori are more likely to be criminals than non-Māori - the stats actually show the system is racist and favours non-Māōri ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Forum whore
Yep, the lawyer was taking the piss alright.
As far as cockSmoku goes BB, you shouldn't be the least bit surprised, or offended, by what he writes on this subject.
Anarchic Wild Child
And you all think that Māori crime rates are bad .. have a look at this - also from Quince's study ...
So .. who does this crime affect ?? Us ... Māori ...In 2000, Maori males were the victims of 85 per cent more crime than pakeha males, and were 50 per cent more likely than them to have experienced acts or threats of violence. Maori females were the victims of twice as many crimes as pakeha females, and were twice as likely to have experienced acts or threats of violence from a partner.
So is your concern for so called Māori crime rates" about your safety or ours??? .. This shows that we are the victims .. and I'm sure that racist shitheads like you are not that concerned with our safety ...
Your fears are media generated ... and the media is one fo the control mechainisms of the capitalist overlords .. You are just a tool of the ruling elite ... helping to keep the divisions that contrrol us alive and well.
Give it up .. we all oppose the ruling elite .. so give up your racist attitudes and maybe - just maybe - we can find a solution that will work .. for all of us .. the us that lives here .. not the us of Māōri or Pākehā but the US that inhabits these islands ..
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
No, I'm not surprised - but he does represent a significant body of opinion on this forum and in our country - it is to that totality that I address my responses .. in the hope of at least affecting a small change in attitude ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
Yes ... but see my previous answer .. what happens once they are caught is important .. and aopparently not equal
Yeah .. that's a very silly answer ... crims are crims .. MAKE SURE YOU TREAT THEM EQUALLY
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
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