Lawyer advocating 10% less jail sentence for Maori

[Banditbandit]

OK, I admit that I don't know much about the courts as I've never been a defendant before, and I hope to keep things that way and "below the radar" of the corrupt system that frequently makes criminals out of ordinary people, and criminals into "someone who isn't really accountable because they're a victim of their circumstances". From what I understand, Te Reo is accepted in some courts (maybe not enough courts?, but since Maori are generally more proficient at English than their own language, is this really a bad thing?).

There's more to different races than just skin colour alone. Animals (and humans) are known to develop physical changes to their body in response to environmental conditions over many generations. Ever noticed how black Africans are generally bigger than Asians, and how white people are generally about in the middle? Or how Inuits are generally quite short in order to preserve body heat more efficiently?

Maybe we do need separate courts to deal specifically with Maori vs. Maori disputes, provided both parties agree to this system prior to commencement of proceedings if it makes you lot feel any better. I agree that the white mans way of capitalism has serious flaws, and I can understand why it can have extremely negative effects on the Maori and general community. I also don't like the fact that I will have to live to work, not the other way around. It's the Jews.

Mate ... that's a massive shift from your attitudes this morning. Thank you. Keep moving .. we might make something out of you yet ..

Keep thinking about it and have a good weekend.

[Mo NZ]

I just skimmed back through some of the last pages.

Re more likely to reoffend or not abide by the bail conditions is optional - which will and should if breached result a remand in custody.

Some people don't get the message, ie;
- Don't bash up yr Mrs or other people, or children.
- Don't have sex with your children, or other peoples children.
- Don't leave your home and break into other peoples homes and steal shit.
- Don't pinch somebodies car/motorcycle etc.
- Don't smash up stuff that doesn't belong to you.
- Get your drivers licence if you want to drive.
- Don't drive like an idiot.
- Don't drive drunk of drugged.
- Don't do drugs.
- Don't go the bank with a shotgun to make a cash withdrawal.
- If you go shopping, remember to pay for the goods.
- Treat all you meet as you would like to be treated.
- Don't think the world owes you anything.

Remember at all times you hold your future in the palm of your hand.

I don't believe any of the above is unreasonable.

[Zedder]

Even bigger answer ... and a major issue ...

Essentially and the short answer .. anger and frustration .. anger and frustration about the position of Māori in this country ... this is one of the long term and intergenerational effects of colonization .. it's the same in all colonized groups ...

And the (irrational) need to hit out at something ... so they hit out at the nearest thing ... (For a very full answer read Franz Fanon's Wretched of the Earth ...)

The same reason as pissed off blacks in America, angry and annoyed and just pissed off at the powers that be, burnt their own homes (Watts riots etc) instead of burning the homes of the white arseholes they were actually angry at.

Hit out in anger and frustration at anything near to them ...

The Ministry of Justice strategic policy brief "Maori at risk of crime, some factors":
http://www.justice.govt.nz/justice-s...k-some-factors

[mashman]

git fukkered. i've had two children. at least. and y'aint taking my balls!

In the event of a relationship breakdown, the father should get the kids.

[Akzle]

I just skimmed back through some of the last pages.

Re more likely to reoffend or not abide by the bail conditions is optional - which will and should if breached result a remand in custody.

Some people don't get the message, ie;
- Don't bash up yr Mrs or other people, or children.
- Don't have sex with your children, or other peoples children.
- Don't leave your home and break into other peoples homes and steal shit.
- Don't pinch somebodies car/motorcycle etc.
- Don't smash up stuff that doesn't belong to you.
- Get your drivers licence if you want to drive.
- Don't drive like an idiot.
- Don't drive drunk of drugged.
- Don't do drugs.
- Don't go the bank with a shotgun to make a cash withdrawal.
- If you go shopping, remember to pay for the goods.
- Treat all you meet as you would like to be treated.
- Don't think the world owes you anything.

Remember at all times you hold your future in the palm of your hand.

I don't believe any of the above is unreasonable.

now see, i do. Who the fuckk are you to tell me what i cant do if im not doing harm to any one else?

[Akzle]

In the event of a relationship breakdown, the father should get the kids.

that infringes a breeder's right to piss and moan at court.
But yea. Equality. and shit.

[Zedder]

now see, i do. Who the fuckk are you to tell me what i cant do if im not doing harm to any one else?

This isn't the drug testing thread!

[jahrasti]

I am completely unsure .. I do know I was the court reporter and witnesses this happen first hand. It has also been commented on elsewhere, but I am unsure how to find that.

At the time, from what the judge said, both cases were pretty similar .. both had taken around $10-$11 from Countdown ... both had previous convictions ... both had children at home. At the time it seemed racist to me . and the comment elsewhere points this out too.

Look .. there are good judges and bad judges (and I don't mean good judges let people off - I mean good judges dispense justice as it should be .. and I've some bloody tough ones I though were great) .. the figures and studies suggest a racist system.

Ok Ill take what you say at face value re previous convictions but that is such an unknown quantity. Was it one or 10 etc etc. I could argue semantics all day.

Got plenty more to say but alas the man is a calling and its time to make some coin. Hold that thought, just like Arnold "I'll be back".

[SMOKEU]

Mate ... that's a massive shift from your attitudes this morning. Thank you. Keep moving .. we might make something out of you yet ..

Keep thinking about it and have a good weekend.

Cheers.

Have a good weekend too.

now see, i do. Who the fuckk are you to tell me what i cant do if im not doing harm to any one else?

Exactly.

[Mo NZ]

now see, i do. Who the fuckk are you to tell me what i cant do if im not doing harm to any one else?

Looks like a good one - have fun.

[jonbuoy]

Mate ... that's a massive shift from your attitudes this morning. Thank you. Keep moving .. we might make something out of you yet ..

Keep thinking about it and have a good weekend.

Except for the fact that he blames the 6000 odd Jewish people in NZ for NZ's problems. Indigenous people always seem to struggle after colonisation, I suppose it's like an advanced alien race taking over management of the Earth and then after 200 years of rule wondering why humans are still over represented in prisons.

[Akzle]

Except for the fact that he blames the 6000 odd Jewish people in NZ for NZ's problems.

no. He's not that retarded. (i think) its only a handful of jews. The kind that have banks, courts, governments etc.

Jews are different from jewish people.

[Zedder]

Except for the fact that he blames the 6000 odd Jewish people in NZ for NZ's problems. Indigenous people always seem to struggle after colonisation, I suppose it's like an advanced alien race taking over management of the Earth and then after 200 years of rule wondering why humans are still over represented in prisons.

Except in New Zealand, Maori have received hundreds of millions of dollars in compensation plus land, forests, fisheries, dedicated support from several government departments etc.

[Akzle]

Except in New Zealand, Maori have received hundreds of millions of dollars in compensation plus land, forests, fisheries, dedicated support from several government departments etc.

ok. So. Ill take all your shit.
You can rent one of the rooms in my new house.
In 10 years ill give you one, and maybe a mattress. But youre not allowed to use the water or electricity in my new house unless you pay me. And. Just arbitrarily, you and your family cant use coffee or sugar, cos drugs are bad hmkay? And you have to walk slowly in my new house. And you must fill out lots of forms for all these priviledges.

[Zedder]

ok. So. Ill take all your shit.
You can rent one of the rooms in my new house.
In 10 years ill give you one, and maybe a mattress. But youre not allowed to use the water or electricity in my new house unless you pay me. And. Just arbitrarily, you and your family cant use coffee or sugar, cos drugs are bad hmkay? And you have to walk slowly in my new house. And you must fill out lots of forms for all these priviledges.

What did your cuzzies do with the previous owners?