The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[puddytat]

Strange the
I wonder how the bond market would react if labor went left and or if the greens became the dominant playa

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I don't know how the Bond market would react but Im sure there would be a concerted subversive attack on our economy from U.S interests & their masters ....as well as rabid "reds under beds" propaganda from MSM & the pouring in of money to fund a destabilising of our society...just like in South America.

I think that as many people would applaud a lefter Labour & dominant Green player as would abhor it.

[Banditbandit]

No. can you please point them out.

Sure - the most obvious one is here ...

Yep you're right, but they haven't needed all of them at the same time.
in fact they have never needed the Maori party ever.
They have even tried to work with the greens but that lot would cut their nose to spite their face.

The nats have shown how to use MMP without giving up the core party beliefs, something that labour has never been able to do and this i feel is the main cause of their poor showing in the poles.

I guess it helps when you have such a clear majority.

Inherent in your respone is the concept that the aim is to occupy the Government benches and that party platforms and ideologies should be subservient to that goal. The is is the assumption of your statement that the Nats tried to work with the grens buit the Greens c ut off their noses to spite their faces.

The Greens said "This is a core thing we need to happen" - and the Nats said "Won't do that". Rather than give up a core ideology/action/belief the Greens did not go into coalition with ther Nats. You frame the greens refusal to give up core beliefs/ideologies and requirements as a bad thing - "cut off their noses to spite their faces were your words ...

But then in the next sentence you applaud the Nats for not giving up their core beliefas to keep the Government benches ...

Major internal contradiction ... the Greens do something and it is bad ... the Nats do the same thing and it is Good ...

[Banditbandit]

With all the dribble about the Air NZ share sale, this article was very interesting. Perhaps a few from the labour-supporting side of the fence might like a read?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/ne...ectid=11159655

I wonder why you think that ideologically driven comments from a rightwing jornalist would be of interest to Labour supporters ???

(Not being one myself, I did read the article - intersting but not objective .. if there is any such thing).

[BoristheBiter]

Sure - the most obvious one is here ...



Inherent in your respone is the concept that the aim is to occupy the Government benches and that party platforms and ideologies should be subservient to that goal. isn't it what all politicians do now? The is is the assumption of your statement that the Nats tried to work with the grens buit the Greens c ut off their noses to spite their faces. you missed the word "would" out

The Greens said "This is a core thing we need to happen" - and the Nats said "Won't do that". Rather than give up a core ideology/action/belief the Greens did not go into coalition with ther Nats. You frame the greens refusal to give up core beliefs/ideologies and requirements as a bad thing - "cut off their noses to spite their faces were your words ...

But then in the next sentence you applaud the Nats for not giving up their core beliefas to keep the Government benches ...

Major internal contradiction ... the Greens do something and it is bad ... the Nats do the same thing and it is Good ...

Thanks, but I see where you went a bit wrong.
I never said it was a bad thing to keep the core beliefs.
I said the greens "would" as they have said on numerous occasions that they will never work with the nats. I wasn't talking of any point in the past just their standard statement in regards working with the nats.

Just reading to much into it I think.
Actually I have more respect for the greens than anyone else on the left as they generally stick to what they were founded on.

I think that they went into the last round of talks with the nats with this policy so it was always doomed to fail.

I would like to think that all voted MP's could work with each other for the best of NZ but petty party politics keeps getting in the way and we end up with a dogs breakfast no matter who is in government.

[Brian d marge]

Crash. then crash some more.

The cost of the money wold go up ,thats all
Raising the cost of debt servicing
Leading to a business round table on steriods
You would find a raft of new legislation suddenly appearing
If you think the pension would be safe hahahaaa not
Stephen

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[BoristheBiter]

The cost of the money wold go up ,thats all
Raising the cost of debt servicing
Leading to a business round table on steriods
You would find a raft of new legislation suddenly appearing
If you think the pension would be safe hahahaaa not
Stephen

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Lucky the greens will never be a real player then.

[Swoop]

I wonder why you think that ideologically driven comments from a rightwing jornalist would be of interest to Labour supporters ?

Just the simple numbers involved.
The taxpayer financially bailed out Air NZ rather than watch it fold up. Getting "our" money back out of that company and back into public circulation would be better done at a higher return rate than that currently offered. Cullen obviously didn't think so.

[pete376403]

With all the dribble about the Air NZ share sale, this article was very interesting. Perhaps a few from the labour-supporting side of the fence might like a read?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/ne...ectid=11159655

Part:
But in essence, Labour invented the mixed-ownership model with its 1980s privatisation of the Bank of New Zealand and its later recapitalisation of the airline in 2001 which put it in the box seat with an 82 per cent stake (later reduced to 76 per cent after a rights issue).

It's also worth recalling that the Clark Government wanted Air NZ to form an alliance with Qantas a decade ago, which would have resulted in the Government's stake being reduced to 64 per cent. No Labour politician - including Cunliffe - raised a squawk then about how allowing another player onto the Air NZ share registry would result in the airline heading towards the knacker's yard, though arguably (and in hindsight) given Qantas' subsequent fortunes that prospect would have held more water than the subjects of this week's politicking.

So, what's the difference now?

Is that when AirNZ were supposed to get open access to Australia in exchange for Qantas getting open access to NZ? Which the Aussies subsequently reneged on AFTER Qantas were allowed here?

To gain access to the Aussie domestic market must have been considered worth selling down the share in AirNZ.

[Brian d marge]

Irrespective of the outcome of the referendum, Key said it was still the intention to sell a stake in Genesis next year.

yeeehaaaa ride em cowboy !

Stephen

[Scuba_Steve]

Irrespective of the outcome of the referendum, Key said it was still the intention to sell a stake in Genesis next year.

yeeehaaaa ride em cowboy !

Stephen

thank for "democracy" ay

[Oscar]

thank for "democracy" ay

1. It's spelled "eh".
2. Democracy has naught to do with wasting money on referenda, each time the opposition whines about something.

[oldrider]

1. It's spelled "eh".
2. Democracy has naught to do with wasting money on referenda, each time the opposition whines about something.

The stupid behaviour of the Greens especially with this damn referendum proves to me beyond doubt that they are too immature to ever govern!

Extreme lefties tend to be immature mommies boys and girls but thankfully a lot them grow out of it as they experience the real world and life!

[Oscar]

The stupid behaviour of the Greens especially with this damn referendum proves to me beyond doubt that they are too immature to ever govern!

Extreme lefties tend to be immature mommies boys and girls but thankfully a lot them grow out of it as they experience the real world and life!

They're bleating about not paying the Pike River families $3m, but they're quite happy to spend $10m on an unenforceable and irrelevant referendum.

[oldrider]

They're bleating about not paying the Pike River families $3m, but they're quite happy to spend $10m on an unenforceable and irrelevant referendum.

The Greens have a top hat that they will pull a million dollars out of after every second rabbit or pigeon!

[puddytat]

Check this out...CitizenA with Hooton & Manning
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/11/22...elwyn-manning/

I reckon the only parties with any integrity are Mana & the Greens. If you cant see why, then you'll never see.