Stupid World

[mashman]

I'd really like to have one of these 918's so I could park it in the Eco Bays in the Lombard carpark.

When I'm one of the benevolent dictators of the world, I'll have one built for you. Pink?

[mashman]

The HSC Act was passed 27 March 2012

"Crucially and most seriously, it removes the UK government’s obligation to provide universal healthcare in England, something so fundamental it amounts to the abolition of the NHS. As Dr Jacky Davis, co-chair of the NHS Consultants Association says: "After the passage of the unwanted, unneeded and deeply undemocratic NHS bill, we no longer have a national health service.""

[BoristheBiter]

The HSC Act was passed 27 March 2012

"Crucially and most seriously, it removes the UK government’s obligation to provide universal healthcare in England, something so fundamental it amounts to the abolition of the NHS. As Dr Jacky Davis, co-chair of the NHS Consultants Association says: "After the passage of the unwanted, unneeded and deeply undemocratic NHS bill, we no longer have a national health service.""

please check the link.

[mashman]

please check the link.

Goddamn extra forward slash at the end. Fixed. Ta muchly.

[BoristheBiter]

Goddamn extra forward slash at the end. Fixed. Ta muchly.

Still the other page made more sense.

[mashman]

Still the other page made more sense.

Hmmmmm, not too sure about that as there seem to be an awful lot of people that aren't too happy about what's being done over there... however I'm sure they'll get over it as they're just as stupid as the people over here

[BoristheBiter]

Hmmmmm, not too sure about that as there seem to be an awful lot of people that aren't too happy about what's being done over there... however I'm sure they'll get over it as they're just as stupid as the people over here

Pretty much, although the nhs over there is far better than here.

[mashman]

Pretty much, although the nhs over there is far better than here.

Dunno about far better, even still, it ain't gonna be "better" for long.

[Ocean1]

Pretty much, although the nhs over there is far better than here.

And in a less than booming economy costs rather a lot more than they can afford.

Hence the belt-tightening.

[blue rider]

why should poor people be a burden on rich peoples societies? If ya get sick and ya don't have a couple hundred thousand dollar/pound/euro/yen spare .....just die, and quietly please, so as to not disturb our beautiful minds.

[BoristheBiter]

why should poor people be a burden on rich peoples societies? If ya get sick and ya don't have a couple hundred thousand dollar/pound/euro/yen spare .....just die, and quietly please, so as to not disturb our beautiful minds.

If you talking about merica then i would agree with you, but the problem here and in the UK it is slightly different.

All I can say is with the costs going up something has to give (personally I think feed the crims on $1 a day and used the rest for health care) and yes if you can afford it than private is better as not only does it speed up the process but it removes the burden from the public system so it isn't the big scary monster that you are trying to portray.

I know of plenty of people that have been through the public health system and have never been turned away from treatment because they can't afford treatment.

[BoristheBiter]

And in a less than booming economy costs rather a lot more than they can afford.

Hence the belt-tightening.

It's like most public offices, top heavy with too many paper pushers and no one doing any work.

[mashman]

All I can say is with the costs going up something has to give (personally I think feed the crims on $1 a day and used the rest for health care) and yes if you can afford it than private is better as not only does it speed up the process but it removes the burden from the public system so it isn't the big scary monster that you are trying to portray.

From that site you said made less sense than the fucked up link:

"Gradually, the government is starving the NHS of money. This is deliberate. As hospitals run out of money - and the exorbitant repayments on PFI deals are a major factor here - they become prey to takeovers by private companies. This has already happened, with Serco taking over Newmarket Hospital.

Not only does a private company cherry-pick profitable services but it gains infrastructure paid for by the taxpayer. It can also give preferential access to equipment such as kidney machines, blood and organs that were specifically donated by the public to the NHS for use by everyone."

Removes the burden from the public system? Myself and my family have been on the end of private healthcare in the UK and yes, the operations/consultancy/treatments received where received at an NHS public facility. So there is a burden on the public system, just one that very few seem to know about.

Edit: They actually lost my Step Dads records after him having been in hospital for 3 weeks. Originally they where confused as to why he had lost a pint of blood, so whacked in another pint only to find that it expanded the growth on his kidney to the size of a football. So he had to wait for his chemo whilst they hunted for his records. My Step Mum was also misdiagnosed with fibroid cysts, only to wake up 1 Saturday morning jaundiced and to die the following Thursday. Public or private is a bullshit argument when they're both supposed to be performing the same service and both can fuck up just as badly as the other. Fighting over resources will see more people die, especially when it's all down to how much $ you have. $ does not equal harder worker or better human being, but for some unknown reason the decision making fucktards of the world seem to think so... else there wouldn't be a need for multi-tiered service levels. Tis only gonna get worse when more and more of it becomes private.

[carbonhed]

Edit: They actually lost my Step Dads records after him having been in hospital for 3 weeks. Originally they where confused as to why he had lost a pint of blood, so whacked in another pint only to find that it expanded the growth on his kidney to the size of a football. So he had to wait for his chemo whilst they hunted for his records. My Step Mum was also misdiagnosed with fibroid cysts, only to wake up 1 Saturday morning jaundiced and to die the following Thursday. Public or private is a bullshit argument when they're both supposed to be performing the same service and both can fuck up just as badly as the other. Fighting over resources will see more people die, especially when it's all down to how much $ you have. $ does not equal harder worker or better human being, but for some unknown reason the decision making fucktards of the world seem to think so... else there wouldn't be a need for multi-tiered service levels. Tis only gonna get worse when more and more of it becomes private.

Seems like everything I've read about the NHS over the last few years has been a horror story. Mid Staffs just beggared belief. Another bloated sacred cow that needs slaughtering.

[mashman]

Seems like everything I've read about the NHS over the last few years has been a horror story. Mid Staffs just beggared belief. Another bloated sacred cow that needs slaughtering.

Seems to be what happens when you treat your staff like shit. It looks like it has been slaughtered with some of the staff being scattered to University facilities and other hospitals in the region. I guess this is the face of healthcare to a budget.