Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Ocean1]

it has nothing to do with bagging the medical profession in any way shape or form

I was responding to John's post, not his reference clip.

Edit: I might add that development of very promising alternative treatments AND new mainstream pharmaceuticals are significantly hampered, and in some cases rendered commercially impossible by the very regulatory compliance systems designed to protect the market from snake oil salesmen and constructive lab shortcuts. It's a negative side effect of the accumulation of standards compliance minutiae that affects many industries. The more worthy of protection the market the more restrictive the controls.

[mashman]

I was responding to John's post, not his reference clip.

Edit: I might add that development of very promising alternative treatments AND new mainstream pharmaceuticals are significantly hampered, and in some cases rendered commercially impossible by the very regulatory compliance systems designed to protect the market from snake oil salesmen and constructive lab shortcuts. It's a negative side effect of the accumulation of standards compliance minutiae that affects many industries. The more worthy of protection the market the more restrictive the controls.

Same can be said for his post imho.

I don't disagree with those observations. Although the outcome I care about is dead/injured people and not someone's bottom line... in fact you wouldn't have anywhere near as many snake oil salesmen and "shortcuts" if there were no money to be made, that and there'd be no reason to protect anything, moreover findings could more readily be shared (they don't all share and that is to our detriment, not theirs). That's the main reason for the negative side effects.

[Ocean1]

Same can be said for his post imho.

Suppose it could. If you were significantly fucked in the head.

in fact you wouldn't have anywhere near as many snake oil salesmen and "shortcuts" if there were no money to be made,

Of course not, they'd have no product to sell. There wouldn't be any product for anyone to sell. Everyone would be frantically trying to reinvent a trade token before they were faced with the impossibility of trying to trade potatoes for penicillin.

[Ocean1]

How much more of these busybody's interfering bullshit do you suppose we have to endure?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...raction-closed

[mashman]

Suppose it could. If you were significantly fucked in the head.

Of course not, they'd have no product to sell. There wouldn't be any product for anyone to sell. Everyone would be frantically trying to reinvent a trade token before they were faced with the impossibility of trying to trade potatoes for penicillin.

Coming from you. That means absolutely nothing.

why's that then? Can you prove that that's what would happen? I betcha can't. Your propaganda of ignorant fear only works on the weak minded and is only ever espoused by the weak minded. As for Penicillin, wonder why Phleming didn't patent it?

[oneofsix]

How much more of these busybody's interfering bullshit do you suppose we have to endure?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...raction-closed

That's at least the second time they've tried to close it down. I think it is revenge by the dept for the club having beaten them over the fair ground attractions requirements. Who would have thought that if you lean off the side of narrow seat you are liable to fall off

[Ocean1]

It's coming to get you.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/heal...ed-in-Auckland


Now bend over...

[James Deuce]

That really pisses me off. Measles is deadly. I very much doubt the anti-vaccination crowd will be funding the funerals of the invariably poorer victims. Nothing more dangerous than a group of middle-class white women with too much time on their hands, access to the Internet and a plethora of coffee mornings to peddle their pseudo-science.

[Ocean1]

That really pisses me off. Measles is deadly. I very much doubt the anti-vaccination crowd will be funding the funerals of the invariably poorer victims. Nothing more dangerous than a group of middle-class white women with too much time on their hands, access to the Internet and a plethora of coffee mornings to peddle their pseudo-science.

Difficult to be scared of shit that you not only can't see but that nobody you know has ever seen.

Wee need to offer two choices. Inoculation as currently available, or exposure to the contagions involved.

Controlled conditions of course.

Off shore somewhere.



With video, to show at coffee mornings...

[oldrider]

Hmmmm! News this morning "Measles outbreak feared Australia / NZ"!

When we were kids we were sent to play with kids that had measles!

[James Deuce]

Hmmmm! News this morning "Measles outbreak feared Australia / NZ"!

When we were kids we were sent to play with kids that had measles!

The problem now is that we're on the verge of a post-antibiotic world. So the treatments for secondary infections caused by measles, like encephalitis, are on the verge of being ineffective.

Herd immunity is the best defense, both for the general populace and for those who can't be vaccinated for a medically documented and supportable reason.

[Ocean1]

The problem now is...

Whadaya mean I dunno? Shouldn't we be arguing about your next acquisition?

[James Deuce]

Whadaya mean I dunno? Shouldn't we be arguing about your next acquisition?

It's booked! The lawyer just has to finish up some business and it's mine. You won't like it.

[Ocean1]

It's booked! The lawyer just has to finish up some business and it's mine. You won't like it.

What does "booked" mean?

And I don't give a fuck whether I like it or not, I demand my right to insist that you consider a bunch of stuff I like whether it's appropriate to your needs or not!

Which is a right entirely independent, I might add of the one whereby I get to rubbish whatever shite you do eventually get.

[Oakie]

Just preparing to kick off the free flu vaccinations for our staff again this year. Had 15 staff opt in in 2012, 30 in 2014 and aiming for 40 this year out of a staff of about 85. And none of them got sick from the vaccination and importantly, none of them got the flu.

Have at it naysayers ...