Orange Street Triple R on Akaroa Highway? (2 January)

[R650R]

And therein lies my biggest problem with the whole IAM ethos.
It would appear that staying wide in a corner (in order to maximise your view through a corner) out-weighs the inherent danger of positioning yourself somewhere that is highly likely to be scattered with roadside detritus.

I would rather sacrifice a bit of corner speed (and keep away from the road verge) to give myself a greater margin of safety when negotiating a blind corner.

I ride/drive that style and find a wider line you can carry much more corner speed and still be safe than slow and tight radius style, and most slippery stuff can be seen in good time if your in safe mode and not racespeed style.
We have so much traffic even on our backroads now that I find it rare for any significant amount of debri to accumulate also. If there's any rubbish its usually in the centre of the wheel tracks and I cringe at mates that ride that position all the time...
On a right hand corner it also gives you a valuable margin if someone crossed the centreline, getting the hell out of the way takes a few crucial milliseconds longer than people realise...

[Katman]

I ride/drive that style and find a wider line you can carry much more corner speed and still be safe than slow and tight radius style, and most slippery stuff can be seen in good time if your in safe mode and not racespeed style.
We have so much traffic even on our backroads now that I find it rare for any significant amount of debri to accumulate also. If there's any rubbish its usually in the centre of the wheel tracks and I cringe at mates that ride that position all the time...
On a right hand corner it also gives you a valuable margin if someone crossed the centreline, getting the hell out of the way takes a few crucial milliseconds longer than people realise...

Bollocks.

New Zealand's roads are notorious for roadside debris.

Sticking to the very outside of a bend is asking for trouble.

[blackdog]

Ok I possibly understand what poster 1 was saying that the rider they saw looked like they were cornering on a racetrack with their knee almost touching the road. It is easy to fall off too cornering like that as many do on racetracks. So their point about it being safe is very doubtful anyway in my opinion. I would be interested in seeing any comment from Rastus as to how safe he considers racetrack cornering on the road considering he patrols in that area.

Maybe motorcycling isn't really your thing.

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[R650R]

Bollocks.

New Zealand's roads are notorious for roadside debris.

Sticking to the very outside of a bend is asking for trouble.

Well it works for me

[Katman]

Well it works for me

Not only does it put you in a position where there is most likely roadside debris, but, if suddenly mid-corner (right hander) you need your brakes, you're going to head straight off the side of the road.

[R650R]

Not only does it put you in a position where there is most likely roadside debris, if suddenly mid-corner (right hander) you need your brakes, you're going to head straight off the side of the road.

That's ok, because if I'm going to brake violently enough to stand the bike up and run out wide as happens in that manner it means something big and solid is in my lane that I don't want to be plastered on. Any hazard less than that I'm quite happy in keeping cool and in control and braking/manoevering appropriately.

[blackdog]

I have been riding for 38 years so motorcycling is hardly not my thing. I respect your right to think those not skilled in "Roadcraft" can not enjoy motorcycling. Everyone has a different threshhold for risk eh.

I respect your right to enjoy motorcycling, even though you are not skilled in roadcraft.

Equally I would expect you to respect the rights of those who are competent, rather than assume that anyone with even marginally larger balls than you is going to end up dead.

[Headbanger]

We have so much traffic even on our backroads now that I find it rare for any significant amount of debri to accumulate also..

hahahahahaahahahahahafuckingha.

Your taking the piss right?

The back roads I ride you have to pay a huge amount of attention to the debris all over the fucking show, and you can bet if you hit cow shit, your probably gonna see some cows.

[Katman]

That's ok, because if I'm going to brake violently enough to stand the bike up and run out wide as happens in that manner it means something big and solid is in my lane that I don't want to be plastered on.

A small pot-hole can cause the same reaction.

Giving yourself room on your left when taking a right hand corner gives you the option of altering your line either way should the need arise.

[Headbanger]

That's ok, because if I'm going to brake violently enough to stand the bike up and run out wide as happens in that manner it means something big and solid is in my lane that I don't want to be plastered on. Any hazard less than that I'm quite happy in keeping cool and in control and braking/manoevering appropriately.

Not what he was getting at, You can apply the brakes throughout a corner without standing the bike up, I believe he was saying by not giving yourself any leeway in the event shit goes wrong (due to whatever event or unforeseen circumstances) and you have to change your line your only option available is the road shoulder, all so you could see a little further down a section of road you haven't actually got to yet.

[Gremlin]

And therein lies my biggest problem with the whole IAM ethos.

It would appear that staying wide in a corner (in order to maximise your view through a corner) out-weighs the inherent danger of positioning yourself somewhere that is highly likely to be scattered with roadside detritus.

I would rather sacrifice a bit of corner speed (and keep away from the road verge) to give myself a greater margin of safety when negotiating a blind corner.

You're taking one piece out of a puzzle and assessing it without factoring in everything else. Roadcraft is a system containing multiple pieces.

Equally, using your brakes mid corner means you have mis-read the information available to you, possibly placed yourself in the wrong position on the road etc.

Number 1 is safety. If doing something isn't safe, then why are you doing it, or, don't do it.

Additionally, trying to understand roadcraft as single elements without the correct coaching, or reading and understanding the entire system, is useless. There are multiple reasons behind many of the aspects, and not something that would ever be taught through a forum.

[Headbanger]

But if "Roadcraft" was seen as proof of competency you would have to pass a course in it in order to get your bike licence would you not??? Good luck knowing your fast roadcraft skills will keep you safer than those without.

Going fast on the road is about being smooth, Not ringing the arse out of your motor. Being smooth requires an understanding of your machinery, the road, and the task.

With this knowledge you are far safer then those without it.

[Headbanger]

Equally, using your brakes mid corner means you have mis-read the information available to you, possibly placed yourself in the wrong position on the road etc.

Not at all, it means you have read the informantion available to you and acted accordingly.

No one is all knowing, and no situation is locked while an action takes place.

The key word is available, You can't know what you don't know. But you can prepare for it, allways leave room to change your plan.Have a way out.

[Ocean1]

Not at all, it means you have read the informantion available to you and acted accordingly.

No one is all knowing, and no situation is locked while an action takes place.

The key word is available, You can't know what you don't know. But you can prepare for it, allways leave room to change your plan.Have a way out.

All of which pretty much perfectly describes the late apexing technique. Which, by the way has fuck all to do with lurking anywhere near the edge of the road or any supposed debris.

[Headbanger]

You would not like riding in ChCh because a lot of roads are far from smooth and require greather skill than what you are used to. Riding a bike is not rocket science which you seem to make out it is to ride well or "smoothly" to use your lingo.

Ridden around Chch a shitload of times.

Biggest issue there is fuckwits in cars.

That aside, what exactly is "greather skill than what you are used to"