So many mistakes. Would you employ the authors?

[Jantar]

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Ride around with the view that most crashes can be avoided by the rider and something will happen to confirm that as well, it is all down to attitude.
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You are onto it. Most accidents are avoidable, even those where the basic cause is outside our responsibility. but it does require that we keep a good lookout as to road conditions, other traffic, hazzards at the side of the road etc. Its just a pity that the police bosses have decided that they would rather have us watch our speeds and ignore all those other hazzards.

[avgas]

Last time I checked motorcycles accounted for 10% of vehicle registration. So 9% of deaths and 19% of injuries is probably a fair call when you look at the stats. This also means that motorcycle registration should be same as other vehicle registration due to the fact that proportions are similar.
As for injury over distance as a statistic.........I am sure certain rugby players have worse. What is their ACC levy?
In fact if you took into account walking - I would be surprised if it is 50 times more likely to cause injury over the same distance of a car.

Stats are marketing. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise (from someone who has studied and worked with both for a long time). True statistics has to show all statisics, not just a scramble of what suits the argument.
i.e. a median of 50%, half the people fail, half succeeded. Standard deviation of 33.33%

Not : "50% of the class passed, 27% with excellence".

[cheshirecat]

Last time I checked motorcycles accounted for 10% of vehicle registration. So 9% of deaths and 19% of injuries is probably a fair call when you look at the stats. This also means that motorcycle registration should be same as other vehicle registration due to the fact that proportions are similar.
As for injury over distance as a statistic.........I am sure certain rugby players have worse. What is their ACC levy?
In fact if you took into account walking - I would be surprised if it is 50 times more likely to cause injury over the same distance of a car.

Stats are marketing. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise (from someone who has studied and worked with both for a long time). True statistics has to show all statisics, not just a scramble of what suits the argument.
i.e. a median of 50%, half the people fail, half succeeded. Standard deviation of 33.33%

Not : "50% of the class passed, 27% with excellence".

Well said and what they can be challenged on.

[roogazza]

Last time I checked motorcycles accounted for 10% of vehicle registration. So 9% of deaths and 19% of injuries is probably a fair call when you look at the stats. This also means that motorcycle registration should be same as other vehicle registration due to the fact that proportions are similar.
As for injury over distance as a statistic.........I am sure certain rugby players have worse. What is their ACC levy?
In fact if you took into account walking - I would be surprised if it is 50 times more likely to cause injury over the same distance of a car.

Stats are marketing. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise (from someone who has studied and worked with both for a long time). True statistics has to show all statisics, not just a scramble of what suits the argument.
i.e. a median of 50%, half the people fail, half succeeded. Standard deviation of 33.33%

Not : "50% of the class passed, 27% with excellence".

Five or six have died fishing, this xmas period !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just about the same as road deaths !

[Damantis]

I doubt that very much. Apart from those disqualified riders who were riding pissed and stoned with no helmet on and hit a tree I would suggest that the 'non-legal' riders have the same type of crashes as legal riders.

People fuck up whether they are driving or riding. As riders we are more likely to get seriously hurt if someone does fuck up so blaming the other person is always a cop out. I can do statistics and I use the same data that fed in to this MOT report. It is safe to say that the majority of crashes involving a motorbike were avoidable on the part of the rider, regardless of who ends up being blamed for the incident happening.

Ride around with the view that most bike crashes are caused by cars and something will happen to confirm it. And you might get hurt.

Ride around with the view that most crashes can be avoided by the rider and something will happen to confirm that as well, it is all down to attitude.

And IAM training, apparently.

I was making an intentionally ambiguous point to highlight that when we are presented with some data and a "conclusion" drawn from it, it's not hard to pick holes in how it's presented and how the conclusion is arrived at. Or as someone above has said, "Statistics are marketing" etc.

[noobi]

Gotta love the one where they say that the motorcyclist is at fault when a vehicle turns across in front of them. NOt all the time of course but to say they are to blame at any of the time is laughable.

It says "In this type of crash it is most common that the other vehicle turns across
the path of the motorcyclist. The motorcyclist has the primary responsibility
in only 6 percent of these crashes."

Meaning in 6% of the 12% of all crashes in the defined period, which involved that kind of movement (car across the path), were the fault of the motorcyclist.

In English.
There were 6362 motorcycle crashes between 2008-2012.
764(12%) of those were defined as 'right turn against'.
46(6%) of those were calculated to be 'the primary responsibility' of the motorcyclist.

I think when they say 'only 6 percent', they are trying to point out how small the percentage of that type of crash were the motorcyclists responsibility. Not quite the same as saying 'The motorcyclist has the primary responsibility
in 6 percent of these crashes.'

[avgas]

Five or six have died fishing, this xmas period !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just about the same as road deaths !

FYI they will try and tie this to the number of fish. Reduce the numbers and less people will die fishing.
Problem for them is correlation does not equal causation.

Fact of the mater is motorcyclists are being penalised. And they are not the only one. There are NZ$25,000,000,000 why the system is broken since its inception. Which is strange as there was no reasons to say the system was broken pre-2007. Now I keep my head out of politics - and keep them in industry. But I have to admit. I smell a rat with the now-called "ACC Insurance" .

Well said and what they can be challenged on.

Good luck - I tried this many moons ago (along with many others).
It was far more effective to send them a post-it note stating 1 statistic.

"Total ammount of levy you will get via motorcycle rego from me = $0
Go fuck yourselves"

Having moved to land of the expense......I can't help but notice the tips that USA and NZ seem to share between themselves re: Health "Insurance"...........if ACC can copy the scam here and Obama can copy the scam there - expect the next bust to be in healthcare by 2020.......except it will be in the Quadrillions of dollars.

[Ocean1]

Having moved to land of the expense......I can't help but notice the tips that USA and NZ seem to share between themselves re: Health "Insurance"...........if ACC can copy the scam here and Obama can copy the scam there - expect the next bust to be in healthcare by 2020.......except it will be in the Quadrillions of dollars.

There's certainly going to be a crisis. But it doesn't require dodgy politics to engineer, it's a simple matter of medical demand hugely outstripping supply budget. It's been festering for a decade.

[avgas]

There's certainly going to be a crisis. But it doesn't require dodgy politics to engineer, it's a simple matter of medical demand hugely outstripping supply budget. It's been festering for a decade.

But becomes amplified when people are required by law to get insurance for it. I suspect ACC wouldn't be getting a $5B/year profit if it wasn't compulsory. All they had to do was trim the expenses (aka say 'no') and they were laughing all the way to the bank. US insurance co's have been saying no for years. They just needed a man to make it law to signup with them..........and the kicker is that the insurance doesn't mean that you will be covered in hospital (like ACC), so in your time of need the insurance company doesn't have to do squat because you went to the wrong provider.

Rough times ahead for all. Don't get sick or injure yourself. Chances are (in either country) you won't be covered or will have to fight in court to be covered.

[Katman]

Last time I checked motorcycles accounted for 10% of vehicle registration.

Sorry but you better check your figures.

It's more like 2% of total vehicle registrations.

[avgas]

Sorry but you better check your figures.

It's more like 2% of total vehicle registrations.

Not many have a car parked at home.......or 3......

But I know plenty of people who have a registered bike that isn't transport.

Also 9% death from 2% registrations is not bad statistics. It's actually better than the drunk driving one which we seem so adamant is pure evil.

I did just look at the actual stats. Motorcycles, mopeds + ATV's make up of 3% of registrations, and 6% of vehicles owned (2012).
Are you more inclined to die or get injured on a motorcycle.... NO DOUBT. Does that mean you should pay more levies? Certainly - so long as every activity also has increased levies. Otherwise why have ACC - why not pay for private insurance where you know they are going to penalize you. UN

If we have increased tax on smoking because its bad for your health, and motorcycles because its bad for your health - what about contact sports? Cycling? sugared drinks?

My argument has never been that it was silly to increase ACC levies on motorbikes - my argument is that it is UNFAIR to, which goes against the ONLY principle of maintaining an ACC system. If ACC can't be fair, or honest - why keep it?
If a bank simply spent your money you would not keep banking with them.
If a school did not teach the students you would not keep it.
If a dentist caused dental decay you would not keep them.

So why would you keep a government based healthcare scheme that a) does not treat people faily, b) does not treat people properly and c) saves money in a bank rather than spends it on treating people. That sounds more like an investment scheme than a healthcare scheme.
To give you a comparison. ACC is currently making 250% profit the NZ Super scheme is. I'll give you a hint - the latter is an investment scheme and designed to make money (it's currently run independent from NZ Super which is currently being paid to retiree's).
The system broke 5+ years ago. And now we have a pyramid scheme.

[Pixie]

Why the fuck can these money hungry bacon fat dripping useless desk jockey cunt hat fuckbags be allowed anywhere near legislation and data gathering when all they do is rape and fuck the poor little niggers like us?




Fuck these pricks.

They will as long as the poor little niggers willingly bend over and spread their cheeks.

A quote from a Canadian rider on another forum: "Motorcycling is an undesirable activity (it increasingly gets in the way of road crash reduction that many governments are obscessed with.) Insurance cost increased is an effective way to disuade people from taking up the activity."

This NZ Govt. document has been prepared for the sole reason of justifying the advance of the NZ Govt.'s agenda.

How long will you people continue to bury your heads in the sand?