Christmas Carnage

**Akzle** · 15th January 2014, 07:46

pretty monumental first post there buddy....

still dont give a fuck. i dont see it as my job to change things or enforce my beliefs against morons who may or may not appreciate it.
ride safe, fuck the rest.everyone dies sometime

**caspernz** · 15th January 2014, 11:31

Yep, pretty heavy duty first post there OP...but you'll work out soon enough that the person who has the most impact on your on-road behaviour/attitude and thus survival skills on the road...is the one you see in the mirror everyday.

All for bitching about what should and could be done by TPTB, and yep I'll vote for improved licensing standards and all that, but until the standards are improved across the board I can gain most by training and riding defensively. For me that even includes leaving the bike in the garage for the couple of weeks either side of New Years, since the numpty driver/rider count is so high over that period.

**rastuscat** · 15th January 2014, 11:47

Originally Posted by pritch

So where are we going to find someone qualified to make an objective assessment of the details?

Usually all we get is some po-faced dimwit intoning, "It is believed that speed and alcohol may have been factors."

If you want a statement of the blindingly obvious, whether it's right or not, we've got just the people. If you want an intelligent appraisal by someone who is qualified and knows that of which they speak, that may be more difficult.

What we need is a no blame investigation system. One where everyone involved tells the truth, with no fear of being prosecuted.

The present system is very focussed on blaming someone, and leads to people telling untruths to support their own point of view, in order to avoid being blamed.

It's not going to happen, but it's nice idea.

**pritch** · 15th January 2014, 12:00

Originally Posted by R650R

Those air accident reports make interesting reading, read a whole stack at library once for a high school project/assignment of some kind.

I believe pilots have a saying to the effect, "You may survive the crash, but you won't survive the accident report."

The implied cynicism would seem to indicate that not all pilots hold the writers of accident reports in the same high regard you seem to?

Just saying.

**cheshirecat** · 15th January 2014, 12:15

Believe the UK NHS instigated a no blame report which worked to some extent. Detailed no blame accident reports would make interesting reading and maybe putting a road marker (and Google marked) on every M/B accident on the Rimutuka's

**gotopaz50** · 15th January 2014, 16:42

Originally Posted by Tink

I drive minimal in comparison to others, but it takes me 25 min to get home, and at least once in every trip I suffer at least minimum #1 Tail gater #1 speeder / overtaker... and a majority sadly are woman tail gators, young male & female & 40 something speeders.

Totally agree with you here too. Most of the vehicles that I avoid stopping at the orange light for are young female drivers; in fact the one who shunted me was a young woman who had not had her license for long and couldnt seem to grasp that you actually have to stop at the Stop sign!

I stopped at some RED lights on a motorway entrance in Auckland and had the guy behind me pass on the left ( I was already in the left lane!) through the red.

You just have to shake your head!

I read in a blog online that these people will get what they deserve if they continue driving like that. Small comfort, but worth taking on board.

**Akzle** · 15th January 2014, 17:09

Originally Posted by gotopaz50

I stopped at some RED lights on a motorway entrance in Auckland

those things fuck me right off and i completely ignore them.

**RDJ** · 15th January 2014, 18:03

Originally Posted by Akzle

those things fuck me right off and i completely ignore them.

The KB collective is unsurprised.

**FJRider** · 15th January 2014, 18:30

Originally Posted by rastuscat

What we need is a no blame investigation system. One where everyone involved tells the truth, with no fear of being prosecuted.

The present system is very focussed on blaming someone, and leads to people telling untruths to support their own point of view, in order to avoid being blamed.

It's not going to happen, but it's nice idea.

Nice idea ... BUT ... The ... "It's not my fault" (Can't be surely) mentality is alive and well in Godzone ...

The more at fault you are ... the harder you try to point (give) the finger to everybody else ...