Waitangi anyone?

[george formby]

Wee's headin oop north tomorrow, too. Doubtless Bay & beyond.

I used to live on Tokerau Beach, spent most of my spare time washing salt off the windows. Don't get too close to the sea, I realised the best view is the one with you in it.

Gonna give the bikes their annual wash today so yeah, it will rain tomorrow.

Waitangi day in the Bay is mayhem, teeming, nay, thronged, with visitors. I appreciate the fact that in this country you can stand up & demonstrate to the whole Nation that your a fuckwit without being imprisoned.

[Hoon]

Quite disgusted at the retarded harawera-ist who seems to have an issue with Sir Jerry Mateparae. A better GG would be hard to find.

Yep him being Ex-SAS I would've loved to see him take her down and snap her neck

[Hoon]

I'm sorry - but commemorating the slaughter of colonial troops as cannon fodder in yet another British fuck up hardly seems great ... some of us have just as different an opinion on that day as you do of this day ..

You are missing the point. Sure it was a fuck up but it is the remembrance of the sacrifice made by some kiwi kid that in his country's time of need had the balls to step up, leave his farm and defend his loved ones. The fact that his leaders may have been a bunch of dumbarses or (-insert your political argument of choice-) by no means detracts from the courage displayed by that individual kiwi on that day when he was asked to.

Sure the leaders need to be made accountable but ANZAC day which is all about the sacrifice made by that soldier is not the appropriate place to be doing it. Save your anti-colonial/war opinions for one of the other 364 days of the year when it doesn't disrespect those just doing what they were told.

[Laava]

As long as Waitangi Day is only a showcase for a bunch of shrill harridans and their cretinous sidekicks dedicated to their Perpetual Grievance Industry, the taxpayers who are forced to support this pigmented farce will stay at work or stay at home. It's not a national New Zealand day for citizens.

I think there is more to it than that. I was talking to a couple the other day who go every year and love the aptmosphere and stalls etc. it is not all about Te Tii marae and the Harawira/Popatas thank fuck! But that is what makes the news.

[Banditbandit]

You are missing the point. Sure it was a fuck up but it is the remembrance of the sacrifice made by some kiwi kid that in his country's time of need had the balls to step up, leave his farm and defend his loved ones. The fact that his leaders may have been a bunch of dumbarses or (-insert your political argument of choice-) by no means detracts from the courage displayed by that individual kiwi on that day when he was asked to.

Sure the leaders need to be made accountable but ANZAC day which is all about the sacrifice made by that soldier is not the appropriate place to be doing it. Save your anti-colonial/war opinions for one of the other 364 days of the year when it doesn't disrespect those just doing what they were told.

See - as I said I do get all that .. and this is NOT April 25 - so it is one of the days that I can express my opinion ...

On April 25 at dawn I put poppies on my grandfather's grave .. he was wounded in Gallipoli, wounded twice more in WWI .. and served in WWII as well ... he was a volunteer, not a conscript ...

[Banditbandit]

I can appreciate where you're coming from, I lost my grandfather on my mothers side.
But to me, I look upon it as NZ's awakening as an independant nation. The Screwup at Gallipoli make us look at ourselves and
realise we don't necessarily blindly follow where England goes.
And that was a good thing

Yes - all of that too ... Maybe we need to look at what happens inside this independent nation of ours ..

But fuck it ... I'm going riding ... I have Friday off on leave so I'm on the road Thursday Friday and Saturday ... and I'm heading South and East, not North ..

[RDJ]

Maybe that's because some of the citizens aren't too pleased with what goes down in this country ???

That's right, we are not. Democracy is not the tyranny of the (Harawira-type) minority with their apartheid electorates, gravy trains, preferential treatment and neverending moans about history. History is what happened then. This is now.

[Banditbandit]

Naaa ... fuck it ... I'm not going to buy into the argument - I'm going riding ... you keyboard warriors can slug it out or shadow box all you like ... this time I'm out of here ...

Ngā mihi aroha ki a koutou ...

[BoristheBiter]

Naaa ... fuck it ... I'm not going to buy into the argument - I'm going riding ... you keyboard warriors can slug it out or shadow box all you like ... this time I'm out of here ...

Ngā mihi aroha ki a koutou ...

ko koutou atawhai rawa (i think that's right)

[Laava]

Ka pai!
Speaking of which, it's lunchtime!

[RDJ]

Naaa ... fuck it ... I'm not going to buy into the argument - I'm going riding ... you keyboard warriors can slug it out or shadow box all you like ... this time I'm out of here ...

Ngā mihi aroha ki a koutou ...

You might want to look up projection, so you can avoid suffering from it in future. The issue at the Waitangi marae is primarily Manaakitanga...

[Banditbandit]

Only if it is defined that way ... and on what basis do you make that judgement? I'm reluctant to accept a Pākehā judgement of a Māori concept.

I am also reluctant to accept that a powhiri is a welcome - it is not - and a powhiri can be very confrontational - the marae atea, the domain of the atua of conflict, is exactly the place to express things as people sometimes do ...

Once in the whare tipuna, the domain of the atua of peace, that is NOT the appropriate place to express conflict .. that is the place to attempt resolution ...

Now don't ask me about the specifics on Te Tii marae .. not my iwi, let alone hapu or marae ... their rules are their rules ...

[RDJ]

I'm reluctant to accept a Pākehā judgement of a Māori concept.

First, you're assuming I'm Pakeha. I'm as Pakeha - or as Maori - as Ken Mair.

Second, your stated reluctance 'as a Maori' to accept a 'Pakeha judgment' very neatly defines the apartheid that exists in New Zealand.

[TheDemonLord]

I read this thread....

I feel so White and English...

[RDJ]

I read this thread.... I feel so White and English...

That's what the card-carrying members of the Perpetual Grievance Industry want you to feel...

Most New Zealanders however prefer to be defined by what we do in this life, rather than whine for taxpayer handouts on the basis of what one bunch of ancestors did or did not give or receive or harangue or sign or fight or lose to another bunch of ancestors.