Anyone Darksided their cruiser?

**RDJ** · 6th February 2014, 20:35

So you are a WOF inspector Katman. Where do you work? Only asking so I can avoid going to your place of work with any vehicle.

**Katman** · 6th February 2014, 20:37

Originally Posted by RDJ

Where do you work?

The Gates of Delirium.

**caspernz** · 6th February 2014, 20:38

Originally Posted by ruaphu

Lol, crikey not a good ole cardboard corolla, had one, never died, never failed a wof just kept rattling along, hehe.

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If you're keen on the dark side approach, why ask for any opinions at all? The Nike approach has always been to just do it, and judge for yourself the pros and cons.

Personally, no I wouldn't go there, I'd try and find the best tyres at the best price from the bike range. But heck, life would be boring if we all could agree...

**ruaphu** · 6th February 2014, 20:41

Originally Posted by Katman

Take it international.

And your a site mentor too...............................unbelievable!!!

**Katman** · 6th February 2014, 20:42

Originally Posted by ruaphu

And your a site mentor too...............................unbelievable!!!

I know - I'm still shaking my head.

**ruaphu** · 6th February 2014, 20:43

Originally Posted by caspernz

If you're keen on the dark side approach, why ask for any opinions at all? The Nike approach has always been to just do it, and judge for yourself the pros and cons.

Personally, no I wouldn't go there, I'd try and find the best tyres at the best price from the bike range. But heck, life would be boring if we all could agree...

To get things covered that may not have been covered, i.e insurance issues as mentioned by a previous member. Something I had overlooked, but needs sorting as not to leave me or someone else in strife.

**RDJ** · 6th February 2014, 20:44

Originally Posted by Katman

The Gates of Delirium.

Should have expected nothing helpful from you. My mistake for asking.

**ruaphu** · 6th February 2014, 20:48

Originally Posted by Katman

I know - I'm still shaking my head.

Me too. but hey, at least I know what the acceptable standards are now.

Back on topic though, I am very much keen to hear what NZTA have to say on this issue, just without the carry on. If you are right based on what you do and backed up by NZTA facts, so be it. At least it is absolutely clear then eh.

**RDJ** · 6th February 2014, 20:55

ruaphu - the following info from the LTSA site is not specific for motorcycles but the generalities would seem to disfavor a car tire being fitted to a motorcycle and being approved; have bolded the apparently most relevant sentence - the repetition of the term 'compatible' would seem to be the dealbreaker. One could argue with the bureaucrats that if the tyre fits the motorcycle's wheel it is compatible but bureaucrats are not original thinkers by and large.

2.2 General safety requirements for assembly of tyre, wheel, hub, and axle

2.2(1) The complete assembly of tyre, wheel, hub, and axle must be sufficiently strong for the type of vehicle on which it is fitted, and must have a suitable and correctly adjusted geometry and a load-carrying capacity appropriate to all reasonable conditions of service and operational use.

2.2(2) The components of the complete assembly of tyre, wheel, hub, and axle must be in good condition and must be compatible with the type, design and performance requirements of the vehicle of which they are a part.

2.2(3) The speed category of a tyre fitted to a motor vehicle must be compatible with the maximum legal speed limit for the vehicle.

2.2(4) The complete assembly of tyre, wheel, hub, and axle on a towed vehicle must be compatible with the loading of that vehicle and the maximum legal speed limit for the towing vehicle.

2.2(5) The complete assembly of tyre, wheel, hub, and axle must be compatible with the vehicle on which it is fitted, and:
(a) the wheel must be securely attached to the hub; and
(b) adequate clearance must be allowed for the brake, hub, suspension and steering mechanism, and body parts; and
(c) the wheel must be compatible with the tyre for rim profile, flange height and valve fitment; and
(d) a wheel spacer forming part of the assembly, whether original equipment or installed after manufacture, is a modification to which 3.1 applies, unless approved for the purpose by the vehicle, wheel or axle manufacturer.

2.2(6) In assessing whether 2.2(1) to 2.2(5) are complied with, a person specified in section 4 may take into account evidence that the complete assembly of tyre, wheel, hub, and axle is within the vehicle manufacturer’s operating limits.

2.3 General safety requirements for tyres

2.3(1) Tyres on the same axle must be of the same size designation and construction, and of the same tread pattern type, unless 2.3(2) or 2.6(2) applies.

2.3(2) Individual tyres of multiple tyre sets on groundspreaders or dedicated groundsprayers may be of different sizes or construction in the same set, but each multiple tyre set must be the same as other multiple tyre sets on the same axle.

2.3(3) All tyres on a vehicle of Class MA, MB, MD1 or NA entering or re-entering service in New Zealand on or after 1 October 2002 must be of the same construction, unless the vehicle is incapable of exceeding 30 km/h, or is 30 years old or more.

2.3(4) A tyre must be of good quality and construction, fit for its purpose and maintained in a safe condition.

2.3(5) A tyre must not have worn, damaged or visible cords apparent by external examination.

2.3(6) If fitted, asymmetric tyres must be fitted in axle sets in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions.

2.3(7) If fitted, a unidirectional tyre must be fitted to a wheel position corresponding to its direction of rotation.

**caspernz** · 6th February 2014, 20:56

Originally Posted by ruaphu

To get things covered that may not have been covered, i.e insurance issues as mentioned by a previous member. Something I had overlooked, but needs sorting as not to leave me or someone else in strife.

Sure, so ask your insurance company. Then have a quiet word with the outfit that does your WOF.

Legalities aside, you may find that the handling compromise that the car tyre brings is unacceptable to you. Personal preference can only be decided by you...asking a question on KB typically results in folks giving you their own rigid opinions, as you've found by now...genuine advice is the exception rather than the rule

**Katman** · 6th February 2014, 20:58

Originally Posted by ruaphu

Back on topic though, I am very much keen to hear what NZTA have to say on this issue, just without the carry on. If you are right based on what you do and backed up by NZTA facts, so be it. At least it is absolutely clear then eh.

Quite frankly, I actually don't care what NZTA thinks of the practice.

If someone turned up at my workshop expecting a WOF with a car tyre fitted to their motorcycle I'd give them a list of any other WOF issuing agencies in the area.

I'll be fucked if I'd ever put one of my warrants on something like that.

**ruaphu** · 6th February 2014, 21:12

Originally Posted by Katman

Quite frankly, I don't care what NZTA thinks of the practice.

If someone turned up at my workshop expecting a WOF with a car tyre fitted to their motorcycle I'd give them a list of any other WOF issuing agencies in the area.

I'll be fucked if I'd ever put one of my warrants on something like that.

Cheers for the earlier thread info, still reading though it, thanks for that.

Re the above comment, yep understand your view point and the fact you would not even touch it.

Same/similar set up in the Electrical industry I'm in, we too are held accountable passing or failing installations (especially when when it goes pear shaped) Better to walk away at the start than get involved, the best form of protection by far.

I take it from your comments you operate your own business?