New biker club?

[Grubber]

If you were South African, you'd understand.

If you were a kiwi you'd understand also.
Racist shit!
Try treating everyone as equal and you might have more friends.

[SMOKEU]

If you were a kiwi you'd understand also.
Racist shit!
Try treating everyone as equal and you might have more friends.

Racist? NZ is one of the most racist countries around. One set of rules for Maori, and another set for everyone else. But, this is something for another thread.

[Grubber]

Racist? NZ is one of the most racist countries around. One set of rules for Maori, and another set for everyone else. But, this is something for another thread.

Oh dear, how much wronger can you be!
Not much point in trying to explain anything here obviously.

[Mungatoke Mad]

Naughty Boys? Weren't they responsible for that crime wave in 2014? Ringing the doorbell and then running away if I remember correctly.

Na that was Akzle

[imdying]

Racist? NZ is one of the most racist countries around. One set of rules for Maori, and another set for everyone else. But, this is something for another thread.

What, you don't think you'd be allowed to start a 'white man immersion school' to indoctrinate young people? Of course you could, they could play thugby against the maori immersion schools.

[rustyrobot]

What, you don't think you'd be allowed to start a 'white man immersion school' to indoctrinate young people? Of course you could, they could play thugby against the maori immersion schools.

I think you'll find those are Māori LANGUAGE immersion schools. Yeah, good luck finding an English language immersion school in New Zealand. Oh wait....

[imdying]

I think you'll find those are Māori LANGUAGE immersion schools. Yeah, good luck finding an English language immersion school in New Zealand. Oh wait....

You can use all the capital letters you like, but if you think there's not an immersion in culture too, you're fucking deluded

[rustyrobot]

You can use all the capital letters you like, but if you think there's not an immersion in culture too, you're fucking deluded

Sure... because immersion in any culture other than yours is "indoctrination", but immersion in your culture is what.... "normal"?

I suppose I really need to acknowledge your superior first hand experience of what goes on in Māori language immersion schools. How many minutes worth was that again?

[imdying]

Sure... because immersion in any culture other than yours is "indoctrination", but immersion in your culture is what.... "normal"?

Not sure what you're on about mate, my culture is New Zealander, or 'Kiwi' if you prefer.

[rustyrobot]

The point is that the majority of schools in New Zealand are 'white man immersion' schools from both a cultural and language point of view.

You raised Maori language and cultural immersion schools as if they were 1) exclusively for Māori people (they aren't) and 2) inherently racist because they are grounded in one cultural viewpoint, just like mainstream schools in New Zealand are.

Not expecting you to change your mind, I can see you have some hate that you are just wanting to share around.

[imdying]

No they're not, what a racist thing to say, they're New Zealand schools teaching New Zealand culture. The level of Maori content relects the import of the Maori in New Zealand, and I'm very sorry if that doesn't meet your standard. I'm not sure how you can't find a school that focuses one culture (when New Zealand is obviously made up of so many diverse subcultures) anything but racist.

[rustyrobot]

I'm not sure how that was racist. I attended mainstream New Zealand schools and they were thoroughly mono-cultural. That is not to say that there weren't people of different cultures who attended the school, and we even examined other cultures as part of the schooling. However, the cultural practices, ethics, values, family models and language were entirely what you have termed 'kiwi' and what I have labelled 'white man immersion'.

Those schools force one culture as much as Māori immersion schools do.

Point is, you don't need to fear Māori immersion schools, or overlook the culturally immersive environments within mainstream New Zealand schools.

New Zealand as a whole is fairly representative of this arrangement too. While there are people of many cultures who LIVE here, you cannot say that the cultural norms of all of those people are represented within the social structures or norms within our society. I can't even imagine how this would be possible when lots of them would be mutually exclusive.

[Monkfish]

The point is that the majority of schools in New Zealand are 'white man immersion' schools from both a cultural and language point of view.

You raised Maori language and cultural immersion schools as if they were 1) exclusively for Māori people (they aren't) and 2) inherently racist because they are grounded in one cultural viewpoint, just like mainstream schools in New Zealand are.

Not expecting you to change your mind, I can see you have some hate that you are just wanting to share around.

And what constitutes ""white man immersion"??

A school that offers Te Reo to all of its students?
A school that bases a huge amount of the "social studies" curriculum on Maori culture?
A school that sings 30% of their school choir songs in Maori?
A school that offers Maori only scholarships?

Because that is what happens on most of our public and almost all of the private schools in NZ.
maybe its just me but I fail to see how they are grounded in one cultural view point.

[ellipsis]

... as long as the patch shows the percentages of multi culturalist members to mono culturalists who turn up at club meetings and everyone accepts that a percentage of the members, whilst giving their due respects to the sergeant and corporals and cook etc, no matter what race they may be, will only ever be taken as a split percenters and may as well just ride on their fucking own...(or follow their missus)...or boyfriends if they are riding Hondas...I have a few Hondas but as I am well and truly married to the prez, I'm not allowed a boyfriend...

[F5 Dave]

Guys Guys Guys. This isn't the thread for debating racism, culture immersion or any of that sort of stuff.

This is the thread to rip on the deluded OP,


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