Hi-viz is an idiotic fad

[pete376403]

Maybe we should make train drivers wear high viz so that drivers at level crossings can see them and not pull onto the tracks – and then get munted by several tonnes of locomotive

Train drivers probably do have to wear hi-viz - bus drivers around Lower hutt / Wellington do (not that it stops people walking in front of buses)

[awa355]

How many cycles has this hoary old ' Hi Viz' chestnut spun?? Must be a close second to the 'wave' threads.

[manxkiwi]

Still the train's fault for hitting the car though, right?

Not when the car drives into the side of the train, which happens quite a lot in this country!

Personally I liked Boris' article in the latest AMCN, where he points out that no ammount of Hi vis or anything will save you. You will save you. If someone pulls out unexpetedly, that's you're fault for not expecting it. Never put your life in someone elses hands. We all know this anyway.

Obviously shit can still happen, but you have to ride for yourself and never trust anyone else on the road.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Train drivers probably do have to wear hi-viz - bus drivers around Lower hutt / Wellington do (not that it stops people walking in front of buses)

can confirm. A mate of mine is a train driver. Now works out of Perth in Straya. for twice what Kiwi rail paid him plus better OT and benefits.

[Tigadee]

Why?
That's an admission of guilt right there.....

Guilty as charged...

Annoys the sh1t out of me when a drivers natural reaction is to stand on the picks as soon as they see a police car. Darn dangerous!
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Wouldn't you if you happened to be above the speed limit (which sometimes happens unintentionally)? Oh wait, you think I'm slowing down from the legal speed limit! I meant I'm hitting the brakes to slow DOWN to the legal speed limit!


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[Trade_nancy]

Over 15 of fishing, commercial passenger and commercial dive skippering for me, so you should know exactly what I am talking about

Not really - and I suspect you don't either..with regard to road safety anyhow if you think Hi-viz is not effective just because more people use it. Yes I think I do like like a dork - compared to many others. But you proved you are one by trading insults instead of using reasoned argument. Trolling?

[Tigadee]

...trading insults instead of using reasoned argument. Trolling?

Welcome to Kiwibiker...

[skippa1]

Not really - and I suspect you don't either..with regard to road safety anyhow if you think Hi-viz is not effective just because more people use it. Yes I think I do like like a dork - compared to many others. But you proved you are one by trading insults instead of using reasoned argument. Trolling?

I think you may find that your method of judging the effectiveness is no more scientific than mine, but please, roll out your scientific proof.....

if you think these are insults....you should get out more

[quickbuck]

Guilty as charged...



Wouldn't you if you happened to be above the speed limit (which sometimes happens unintentionally)? Oh wait, you think I'm slowing down from the legal speed limit! I meant I'm hitting the brakes to slow DOWN to the legal speed limit!


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Um, no I wouldn't..... I find that due to my experience it is actually really easy to guess what 100km/hr is.....And a good Speedo, or even better GPS confirms it. So, no it doesn't happen unintentionally.....





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[Stylo]

Train drivers probably do have to wear hi-viz - bus drivers around Lower hutt / Wellington do (not that it stops people walking in front of buses)

But you never see dirt bike riders wear Hi-viz either , casualty rates are pretty high in that department.

Or for that matter, prostitutes in Manchester St in Ch Ch so, where do you draw the line ?

Rugby players ?

[Trade_nancy]

I think you may find that your method of judging the effectiveness is no more scientific than mine, but please, roll out your scientific proof.....

if you think these are insults....you should get out more

Thanks for the social advice. But I prefer to stay in with my ferret collection.
I used hi-viz when I was marathon running and road cycling and it made sense - no question I was more visible and more vulnerable. We live on a rural road as straight as an arrow for 13kms or so - and I've made a point of watching these cyclists come..and go...when I'm doing the daily walk the dog. No doubt - they are seen where without them, they would not be. Questionable in a busy city environment though....there,.. the cagers will miss anything as they have too many visuals around them.

I agree - black as a colour may at times be a more "visible" option - when combined with say a bright yellow helmet. Hi-viz vest with reflective taping must stand out in the darkness as a better option than just black. Indisputable.
I have had a good gander through this: http://www.otago.ac.nz/wellington/otago033316.pdf. It's a long read but relevant and worth at least a perusal.
This study did extend to extracting data from this forum. No great conclusions were reached.

[skippa1]

Thanks for the social advice. But I prefer to stay in with my ferret collection.
I used hi-viz when I was marathon running and road cycling and it made sense - no question I was more visible and more vulnerable. We live on a rural road as straight as an arrow for 13kms or so - and I've made a point of watching these cyclists come..and go...when I'm doing the daily walk the dog. No doubt - they are seen where without them, they would not be. Questionable in a busy city environment though....there,.. the cagers will miss anything as they have too many visuals around them.

I agree - black as a colour may at times be a more "visible" option - when combined with say a bright yellow helmet. Hi-viz vest with reflective taping must stand out in the darkness as a better option than just black. Indisputable.
I have had a good gander through this: http://www.otago.ac.nz/wellington/otago033316.pdf. It's a long read but relevant and worth at least a perusal.
This study did extend to extracting data from this forum. No great conclusions were reached.

So, no scientific proof then

[Trade_nancy]

So, no scientific proof then

Do u have scientific proof that you were a fisherman?

[skippa1]

Do u have scientific proof that you were a fisherman?

yes I do

Char

[bogan]

Thanks for the social advice. But I prefer to stay in with my ferret collection.
I used hi-viz when I was marathon running and road cycling and it made sense - no question I was more visible and more vulnerable. We live on a rural road as straight as an arrow for 13kms or so - and I've made a point of watching these cyclists come..and go...when I'm doing the daily walk the dog. No doubt - they are seen where without them, they would not be. Questionable in a busy city environment though....there,.. the cagers will miss anything as they have too many visuals around them.

I agree - black as a colour may at times be a more "visible" option - when combined with say a bright yellow helmet. Hi-viz vest with reflective taping must stand out in the darkness as a better option than just black. Indisputable.
I have had a good gander through this: http://www.otago.ac.nz/wellington/otago033316.pdf. It's a long read but relevant and worth at least a perusal.
This study did extend to extracting data from this forum. No great conclusions were reached.

How many of those cyclists make 40+ watts of light and 80+db of noise?

Perhaps studies have been unable to reach conclusions for obvious reasons...