Police conducting on the spot vehicle inspections

**Akzle** · 17th February 2014, 20:53

Originally Posted by yevjenko

I wish I had the reference but it is based on reasonable length of time to detain... or some bollox

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by legislation they have a right to detain you long enough 'to confirm your idemtity'
which means, find a corporate person to post a notice of infringement. That would be what you consider 'your identifying particulars'
name of company, date of incorporation, address for service and line of business/commerce/occupation.

**Akzle** · 17th February 2014, 20:55

Originally Posted by Mushu

So is this an actual law, that after 15 minutes I am within my rights to jump back on my bike and ride away (if the cop hasn't yet found I have committed an offense)?

fuck hanging around. If youve done no harm, then dont stop, or stop and wave them past.
Learn your rights plebian!

**Scuba_Steve** · 17th February 2014, 21:00

Originally Posted by Mushu

So is this an actual law, that after 15 minutes I am within my rights to jump back on my bike and ride away (if the cop hasn't yet found I have committed an offense)?

no it's a guide, it pretty much comes under then having "reasonable time to confirm your identity" as unless their arresting you they cannot legally detain you.
All these checks they do while "confirming your identity" are starting to push it a bit, but until someone challenges it in court well...

**Scuba_Steve** · 17th February 2014, 21:03

Originally Posted by Akzle

fuck hanging around. If youve done no harm, then dont stop, or stop and wave them past.
Learn your rights plebian!

biggest problem is learning the PIGs their rights; it almost seems as if ya gotta be a dunce to work in the legal system

**R650R** · 18th February 2014, 05:35

Originally Posted by Berg

Ask the truck driver I stopped in Thames on Wednesday if he minded being stopped and if he felt his time had been "stolen". Found a split left front brake hose pumping all the fluid out every time he braked. Was just heading for the Coromandel loop too. Want to meet his truck on ya bike when he runs out of brakes?
He didn't even object to a seatbelt ticket. Was just very grateful I possibly saved his or somebody else's life. Good thing I'm a qualified mechanic as well as a

I hear you... and there are probably even some better analogies than that, like certain trucks blowing retarder oil or high pressure diesel leaks...
Anyway what I'm saying is doing it random at roadside is a bit hit and miss especially when those checkpoints are easily avoided on many routes...
Surprised with so many UK cops that their ways haven't been adopted like visiting depot and getting the big picture all at once. So many of our 'road safety' things are ambulance at the bottom of the cliff approach.
And now we're taking away the fence at the top too by letting 'good' operators do their own COFs...

**Akzle** · 18th February 2014, 05:38

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

biggest problem is learning the PIGs their rights; it almost seems as if ya gotta be a dunce to work in the legal system

im at about 30% success with them, actually.
Not calling them pigs might help my case.
Ignorant motherfuckers, but not pigs

**R650R** · 18th February 2014, 05:43

Originally Posted by scracha

Tell them just the legal minimum and keep gob shut, then they've nothing to go on. It's amazing how many people talk themselves into getting a ticket.

Know of a driver (driver C) that couldn't help himself but mention that his DG load plan didn't match what was on trailer at weighbridge when cops weren't even opening his curtains. Driver A had loaded truck unit at chem depo bought it back to yard, made mistake of leaving loadplan in truck. Forklift drivers rearranged load slightly to consolidate freight, didn't make a new loadplan. Driver C ends up not getting ticket but driver A and forklift driver get nailed couple k each.
Another driver I know argued a few km/h over a ticket and kept mentioning his GPS, nek minnit they downloading his GPS and 300 odd infringements, lucky for him a technical error saw case thrown out in court...

**DnosAAAA** · 18th February 2014, 06:21

Knobbly Bulged brake lines, tyres bald or cracked or have significant tread mismatch( i.e running pilot powers front, pilot road 2 rear as i am may be a no no soon) leaky forks and reservoirs are the only things policed so it not all that bad. providing you look after you're bike you will be sweet, But if some prick who does'nt know sheeet about bikes or even the car hes driving starts pointing at my pepsi max catch can saying "thats pretty dangerous" i would take it out and drink it and by like "nah its my drink holder mate, what are you on?"

**Akzle** · 18th February 2014, 06:31

Originally Posted by DnosAAAA

starts pointing at my pepsi max catch can saying "thats pretty dangerous" i would take it out and drink it and by like "nah its my drink holder mate, what are you on?"

probably wouldnt go down so well with my db can...

**Erelyes** · 18th February 2014, 13:44

Originally Posted by Kickaha

If you weren't such a lazy cunt you would have walked and avoided it all

I know. Too fuckin' lazy to even lock the door on the way out.

Mushu I wonder if your keyboard warrior attidude was displayed to the cop that pulled you over. My money's that you were as mouse.

Originally Posted by Akzle

probably wouldnt go down so well with my db can...

Nah man. You can be drivin' down the road drinking a can of double brouge and be totally within your rights, as long as BAC is under the legal limit and you're not in a liquor ban zone. Drink away.

**jasonu** · 18th February 2014, 14:20

Originally Posted by Mushu

So is this an actual law, that after 15 minutes I am within my rights to jump back on my bike and ride away (if the cop hasn't yet found I have committed an offense)?

Except if you do buggar off the pigs will stop you again, smash your tail light with their minto bar and write you a ticket for it.

**GrayWolf** · 18th February 2014, 14:59

Originally Posted by Mushu

How about fines relative to income. Surely fines are a financial punishment for breaking the law so shouldn't the inconvenience of paying a fine be the same for everybody. $100 means very different things to the low income earner as opposed to the exec earning 100k +

As far as the topic of this thread goes, I don't mind the idea of road side checks. It would keep a lot of unroadworthy cars off the road and make people think about maintaining their cars better - especially older vehicles. But the idea makes the current WOF system completely redundant. I wonder how the accident statistics in QLD (where they have no regular vehicle checks) differ from other areas in terms of mechanical failures causing accidents.

How about those who cannot afford to maintain the vehicle they have, instead of buying a shitbox Soobarooo GT/WRX/ Mitsi Evo mk1, or toyota starlet with shitty big bore exhaust, knackered smoking engines, then put $3000 blinged low profile chrome wheels, backyard 'lowering kits', 10,000 watt stereo's with 20 X 15inch sub-woofers, matt black spraycan paint jobs, etc etc.. actually buying a car they CAN afford to run?
well fuck me, there's sensible for you......
Most people I know earning a wage good enough to actually buy 'recent' expensive cars, CAN afford to run them. So yes, lets make the fines relative, you want to play with the 'big boys' and buy a 20yr old+ knackered shitbox 'power car', then you should pay fines commensurate to the lack of maintenance you haven't invested!!!

It's funny you are complaining about the fines in one paragraph, then agree with 'roadside' checks in the next...

My only 'concern' if any, would be I know in the UK, Traffic Police are all specially trained, I wonder if our resident 'Officers' can confirm they also get mechanical knowledge training as part of the procedure?