NZSBK Round 2 - dispute

[Billy]

I have written and rewritten a reply a dozen times but before I post I seem to come to the same conclusion so I erase my words..........bottom line is we need more people who actually give a sh*t about racing in NZ and why it is in such a poor state (the worst it's been in ever???)

REALLY!!!!!

Worst EVER??? Entries for the first 2 rounds of NZSBK 2014 were UP 50% over 2013.On that basis 2013 must have been thw worst ever??

Yip,Its definitely not in the best state it's ever been,But the statement "worst ever" is most definitely a wee exaggeration,Sounds like you didn't get what you want,But PLENTY of others did.

[Billy]

I walked last year , and am real glad I did , the way forward isn't the way things are and have always been run." Time to take a complete 360 degree look at the Elephant in the room "(Not my quote)

ABSOLUTELY,

As proved for 2014 with a few minor tweeks(No where near as far as I would like to have gone) and the number of National competitors increases by 50%,I doubt MNZ will be open to much change though,In fact I would not be surprised if the changes that CLEARLY worked for 2014 are all undone again for 2015.

[The Chow]

ABSOLUTELY,

As proved for 2014 with a few minor tweeks(No where near as far as I would like to have gone) and the number of National competitors increases by 50%,I doubt MNZ will be open to much change though,In fact I would not be surprised if the changes that CLEARLY worked for 2014 are all undone again for 2015.

Reposted -I walked last year , and am real glad I did , The way forward isn't the way things are now , for that matter it doesn't matter how they have been in the past we are in the 21st century , the current governance model is flawed and needs a clean out , by the way it NOT just now which is the problem it has been like that with former CEO's , boards , presidents etc for decades." Time to take a complete 360 degree look at the Elephant in the room "(Not my quote) and look at another way for Road Racing. Dirt has already done it.

[Shaun Harris]

Reposted -I walked last year , and am real glad I did , The way forward isn't the way things are now , for that matter it doesn't matter how they have been in the past we are in the 21st century , the current governance model is flawed and needs a clean out , by the way it NOT just now which is the problem it has been like that with former CEO's , boards , presidents etc for decades." Time to take a complete 360 degree look at the Elephant in the room "(Not my quote) and look at another way for Road Racing. Dirt has already done it.

Agreed re the 21st century mate. In my eyes, mnz has NOT been functioning well at all since we lost Sandra Perry, many bloody moons ago.

Here here re a 360 turn also buddy!


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Quote Originally Posted by The Chow View Post
I walked last year , and am real glad I did , the way forward isn't the way things are and have always been run." Time to take a complete 360 degree look at the Elephant in the room "(Not my quote)
ABSOLUTELY,

As proved for 2014 with a few minor tweeks(No where near as far as I would like to have gone) and the number of National competitors increases by 50%,I doubt MNZ will be open to much change though,In fact I would not be surprised if the changes that CLEARLY worked for 2014 are all undone again for 2015.
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360 turn as suggested by Chow and time for a very big change in who is actually running/managing road racing in NZ for the future and benefit of all the kids to come through in the future and to support the current stars of the show bwtter also. If the controlling body stays as it is now or in very simmillar fashion, road racing in NZ is Not good long term at all.

Ok I will say it out loud as I can, Time for a totally different series to promote the best in New Zealand!


Now to come up with the best Marketing name for it

[quickbuck]

500 production? What's wrong with 650 production, we already have it. Re 250 numbers, bout 12 at last round here, and that was minus a few regulars. But really, they're only lapping around bucket/streetstock times and the rider demograph the same. At the same meeting plenty of protwin and 125 activity, this is where the ambitious ones head, and way faster too of course. History shows these two classes produce your new elite. How many have come from 250 prod? None. 250 should be as originally intended, a technical alternative to the 150 two stroke in streetstock. Baillie has done very well, but for the money and effort protwin or 125gp would have served him better.

I hear what you are saying. Yes, the 250 is really just and expensive bucket as far as lap times go. Except we race on big tracks and attend events that the big bikes are at.
BUT where I disagree is not every racer wants to ride a faster bike or be the next Aaron Slight (similar age to me) Some of us want to race within our means....

Pro Twin, yeah, could do but Joe public wonders why you can't keep up with the F3 bikes that look the same.... Yes for me it is about being near the front too...
I guess I would shoot myself in the foot if I got, say, a CBR500 and put it in Pro Twin to develop the concept.... One I can see merit in. As Billy said though it needs to be policed!

I now see why some say bring back F1, F2, F3 and be done with it.

I do really appreciate all the ground work you did for the class in 2009 Oyster. I also appreciate Billy's investment into it too. I was hoping it would be closer to the fields and racing I used to come to Manfeild and see in the early 90's.... But it appears there is the sinister side of it going on within 5 years..... It is a little sad really, as whenever Billy has pointed out something not quite right about my bike I have gone to every effort to rectify it..... I don't seem to have the same effect when I point out things on competitors bikes...



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[jellywrestler]

Agreed re the 21st century mate. In my eyes, mnz has NOT been functioning well at all since we lost Sandra Perry, many bloody moons ago.

the worlds changed a lot with the interweb since Sandra was around, it's a lot tougher job than it ever was.
what do you mean mr Chow about the dirt bike scene has already done it? please elaborate

[Billy]

the worlds changed a lot with the interweb since Sandra was around, it's a lot tougher job than it ever was.
what do you mean mr Chow about the dirt bike scene has already done it? please elaborate

Well you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see the extra investment in the "Backflips" motorcross champs,That was achieved by having what I have been asking for,For 2 years,One person organising and liasing with prospective contributors and then the funds actually being used for the series intended,As it stands with roadracing we are given a set budget to fund the commission for the whole 12 months,But see NONE of any sponsorship that is arranged and the clubs are left to pick up any scraps for their prospective rounds AFTthe "Sponsorship committee" have finished so there can be no conflict,That generally doesn't happen until late October.

[RobGassit]

Having just read the MNZ Constitution, (3.5) and The Code of Conduct, (xi) it strikes me that the opportunity was there for action to be taken against the actual bike builders in many of these cases, rather than the kid's riding them. A sticking point though would be if the builder was neither a member of an MNZ affiliated club or an MNZ race licence holder, is he then immune to any action. It would theoretically be possible for someone untouchable by MNZ to operate in any way they chose, assuming they didn't care what action was taken against the rider.

This is making the grand assumption of course,,,that MNZ was actually capable to carry out and follow through on any disciplinary action that could survive the Appeal Committee. Nobody will care about being bitten by a dog with a loud bark and no teeth. At worst,, you get a nasty suck on the ankle, at best you get to operate as you wish, take Championships, and gloat at all who will listen at how bloody clever you were. Some are still patting themselves on the back for cheating in the 70's and 80's. It's all been done before,,,and some admire them for getting away with it..

[slowpoke]

The entry level was aimed at club level,Unless of course you expect us to have 2 seperate classes with 2 seperate sets of rules.

The gearbox undercutting was requested as a safety rulechange as the Ninja in particular has a habit of jumping out of gear(Typical Kawasaki gearbox) AND as mentioned earlier as the appendix states "If its not mentioned ,It must remain OEM" As the gearbox IS mentioned then it is allowed,Thought even you couldve worked that out,Opened the door....Where???? Oh yea I get it,Because we allow the machining of the gearbox in the interests of safety,It automatically means go ballistic aye....Now who's taking the piss???

So if the class is suddenly serious,The rules go out the door....Again,Now who's taking the piss???

I must admit,I'm really going to miss the expert opinion you once in a blue moon racers with mountains of expertise that know absolutely EVERYTHING offer.....NOT,Have a nice life Spud,Its been well worth my while putting in the hard yards so you can achieve your 3 meetings a year,MNZ would be crippled without peeps like you.

Haha, too funny! As I pushed the submit button on my post I said to myself: wait for the predictable personal attack....wait....aaaaaand VOILA!

What's the point in defending myself, for that matter why should an MNZ member even have too? Unless we're part of the Purple Circle it's your way or the highway......it's agree with you or cop the personal attack. Time to speak with my feet and leave you to it, the MNZ card is in the bin. My wallet and my missus will be breathing sighs of relief......as are you no doubt, lol.

Seriously, you work like a bloody trojan Billy, I know you are a good bloke despite butting heads with you, and I wish you all the best.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Seriously, you work like a bloody trojan Billy, I know you are a good bloke despite butting heads with you, and I wish you all the best.

He is indeed a top bloke, and MNZ will be far poorer for his departure. Come VMXing...no MNZ there!

[The Chow]

the worlds changed a lot with the interweb since Sandra was around, it's a lot tougher job than it ever was.
what do you mean mr Chow about the dirt bike scene has already done it? please elaborate

Mr Jelly , Clubs walking all over the place. Heard MNZ membership this year has dropped. Example: Dirt Riding Federation ( Been around for years , started by John Cobb in Auckland in the 1990's). Greg Power Running highly successful events including at Paeroa this year. Summercross in Whakatane the biggest or at least one of the biggest (over 500 entrants some years) run by a club that is not been affiliated for years with MNZ and done an outstanding job of controlling their own destiny. Also don't forget VMX series. (old dirt bikes).

Having Clubs running stuff is an old model of doing things IMAO , but anyone that was at the MNZ AGM last year would have seen that , when I spat the dummy. It is time for a new look to things I reckon (Just my opinion I might add).

[RobGassit]

This would be the perfect time for the MNZ President, through official channels, to step up and set a clear direction to all his Road Racing members that he acknowledges the threat to the credibility and the future of the 250 Production Class. Some decisive direction is immediately required, even if it means pulling the pin on the remaining 250 National Rounds until control of the class is retained. With the current vacuum of outgoing Road Race Commissioner, Stewards and Officials, the silence is deafening. His own Constitution provides him with his responsibilities at this time. If he does nothing, he proves without doubt, he is a hollow figurehead and should resign. Step up or step off Jim!

[Billy]

Haha, too funny! As I pushed the submit button on my post I said to myself: wait for the predictable personal attack....wait....aaaaaand VOILA!

What's the point in defending myself, for that matter why should an MNZ member even have too? Unless we're part of the Purple Circle it's your way or the highway......it's agree with you or cop the personal attack. Time to speak with my feet and leave you to it, the MNZ card is in the bin. My wallet and my missus will be breathing sighs of relief......as are you no doubt, lol.

Seriously, you work like a bloody trojan Billy, I know you are a good bloke despite butting heads with you, and I wish you all the best.

So to recap,Its okay for you to accuse me of taking the piss,But if I defend myself,Its a personal attack???Haha WHATEVER!!!!

I'm guessing your card landed in the bin 3rd or 4th but most definitely after mine,I don't hold grudges despite what you hear and I most definitely single people out for attention by association as I was recently accused,Thats their insecurities NOT mine,I'm sure Choppa and Marcus can atest to that.Hope to catch up for a beer and chinwag at some stage......Maybe at a golfcourse haha

[Billy]

This would be the perfect time for the MNZ President, through official channels, to step up and set a clear direction to all his Road Racing members that he acknowledges the threat to the credibility and the future of the 250 Production Class. Some decisive direction is immediately required, even if it means pulling the pin on the remaining 250 National Rounds until control of the class is retained. With the current vacuum of outgoing Road Race Commissioner, Stewards and Officials, the silence is deafening. His own Constitution provides him with his responsibilities at this time. If he does nothing, he proves without doubt, he is a hollow figurehead and should resign. Step up or step off Jim!

UNLESS,

Theres more going on than the average member knows.

[MVnut]

REALLY!!!!!

Worst EVER??? Entries for the first 2 rounds of NZSBK 2014 were UP 50% over 2013.On that basis 2013 must have been thw worst ever??

Yip,Its definitely not in the best state it's ever been,But the statement "worst ever" is most definitely a wee exaggeration,Sounds like you didn't get what you want,But PLENTY of others did.

Sorry to disappoint but I don't have an agenda. You may not have seen the ??? after my worst ever but they were there meaning we are going downhill. ...and wanting other points of view (as you mention 2013 had lower entries) . Also I was speaking of the general state of the sport as opposed only to entries in NZSBK. I am now a spectator although I have in the past been competitor, coach and sponsor in more than one country. May I pose a question or two? Why do we no longer have scrutineering at the majority of meetings? Do you think there are an increasing number of officials who do not know (or follow) the rules? (I saw some major f**kups at National level in the last few years)