Motorcycle safety campaign. Yeah right.

[Akzle]

She shut up and fucked off.

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[Ulsterkiwi]

so is an actual campaign or just the reason used to explain people being pulled over? If its a campaign why is there no publicity about it? Not much of a campaign if no one is told. Its a bit like having a general election and not bothering to announce the date to the public. Had a similar discussion elsewhere about a "crackdown" on lane splitting. No media announcement, no communication with motorcycle groups, just a policeman at the side of the road telling the guy getting the ticket. Why not tell us? If there is nothing to tell why bullshit? Is the guy any less ticketed?
The gentleman who pulled over Katiepie, what exactly has his time and energy contributed to the good of the community other than provide evidence of a cringeworthy ignorance of that which he was supposed to be making safer......?
I am genuinely interested to hear any comments from serving officers who frequent the board.
The police do not have an easy job but surely taking this kind of tack is not likely to win the hearts and minds of the section of the community they are trying to assist?

[FJRider]

i think you might find it disapointing that it was introduced in 1990, minor review in 1993 amended 2001(not to the applicable parts being discussed)reprinted in 2013 and still stands unmolested today.

Not entirely unmolested ...

Demerit points for alcohol and enforcement officer related offences


Failing to stop on request or signal of an enforcement officer, or on being followed by motor vehicle displaying flashing blue, or blue and red, lights or sounding a siren

35

Failing to remain stopped for an enforcement officer

35

Driving or attempting to drive when forbidden by an enforcement officer

35

Failing or refusing to accompany an enforcement officer when so required

50

[skippa1]

Not entirely unmolested ...

Demerit points for alcohol and enforcement officer related offences


Failing to stop on request or signal of an enforcement officer, or on being followed by motor vehicle displaying flashing blue, or blue and red, lights or sounding a siren

35

Failing to remain stopped for an enforcement officer

35

Driving or attempting to drive when forbidden by an enforcement officer

35

Failing or refusing to accompany an enforcement officer when so required

50

Got ya google going aye......(I did say there were amendments too)
still can't detain for a survey

anyway.......as said way back, not going to debate it. You sit on the side of the road answering survey questions like an egg, perfect accompaniment for bacon

[FJRider]

Got ya google going aye......(I did say there were amendments too)
still can't detain for a survey

anyway.......as said way back, not going to debate it. You sit on the side of the road answering survey questions like an egg, perfect accompaniment for bacon

They can stop you at random ... for NO reason at all .. NOW .. !!

And with your license in their hot little hand ... and are you then going to fuck off from them .. ???

"Safety" check or any other check (whats in a name ... eh). They want you to stop you ... they can and will.

Don't want to answer .. Don't. .. "I do not wish to take part in your survey" is all you need to say. Followed by "Can I go now"

DONE ... and you do if they say yes.


Too simple for you ... ???

[newbie2012]

Wow... I agree with Aklze on something

uhhh... I think I need a drink and a lie down

Classic. Alarming. Bloody funny reaction :-)


Anyway, it looks like the whole death by a thousand paper cuts angle here. Small checks and changes will mount up over time. I agree that if anyone is abiding by the laws then they should not be pulled over. If you're riding like a fool, then fair call (or 'fair cop', if you like bad puns).

Figure the police have been given a task to 'pull over and educate' by checklist as part of their monthly jobs. Shame, as it doesn't help their image, not sure that many of them would be too happy either.

I'm firmly on the 'stop pulling over riders who are obeying the law' side of the fence.

PS NZspokes - is your wife back in the saddle now ?

[haydes55]

Take one for the team. Every minute you're holding the officer up on the side of the road is another minute his laser gun is out of action. Talk about safety, kittens and prostate cancer if you have the time. I'd appreciate it.

[Berries]

They can stop you at random ... for NO reason at all .. NOW .. !!

The bold is out now. You have been told!

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!???!!??!!?

[skippa1]

Too simple for you ... ???

You want to get your reading comprehension tested....you obviously can't understand what I have been saying......"can't detain you for"....... Ahhh.....forget it

yes you are

[swbarnett]

Shit no, done heaps of stupid things, the difference is I don't expect someone else to pay for my stupid actions if I hurt myself.

Then you clearly don't understand the philosophy behind ACC.

[yevjenko]

Take one for the team. Every minute you're holding the officer up on the side of the road is another minute his laser gun is out of action. Talk about safety, kittens and prostate cancer if you have the time. I'd appreciate it.

mwah hah hah hah

[yevjenko]

And with your license in their hot little hand ... and are you then going to fuck off from them .. ???

It was my impression that they had to send the licence back to you if they don't return it after the 15 minutes.

[RUSS]

Nothing gives them the right to detain you unless they suspect you of breaking a law. They certainly can't detain you to do a survey.

am I under arrest? Am I being detained as a suspect?

if not......good bye

You should read Section 113 and 114 of the Land Transport Act 1998. There you will find that Police can stop you to check you have a drivers license, inspect your vehicle and the such. No need to suspect you at all.

If you say "Bye bye" and ride off you will find out about Section 116 where you get arrested for failure to remain stopped.

[yevjenko]

If you say "Bye bye" and ride off you will find out about Section 116 where you get arrested for failure to remain stopped.

Section 114, subsection 5 "An enforcement officer may require a driver to remain stopped on a road for as long as is reasonably necessary to enable the officer to establish the identity of the driver, but not for longer than 15 minutes if the requirement to remain stopped is made under this subsection only."

Subsection 3 also states for as long as is reasonable. At this point you enter the "man on the Clapham Omnibus" test of reasonable (wow I actually do remember some of my law lectures )

Section 116 relates to s115 (being safety of the vehicle or noise produced by the exhaust!) and s113 (being provision of rider identity; inspect, test and examine the brakes or any other part of the vehicle [therefore implying suspicion of unroadworthiness]; inspect Wof/Rego labels and verify that the driver is licensed to operate the vehicle.

tldr: if you give them enough time to verify you are who you say you are, you're free to go. - note IANAL

[yevjenko]

I also note in the Land Transport (Road Safety and Other Matters) Amendment Act 2011 that radar jammers are now illegal. Didn't realise that before.