Motorcycle safety campaign. Yeah right.

[Katman]

Motorcycling is obviously far too dangerous for anyone. It should be illegal.

Maybe just for the idiots.

[FJRider]

Are they the same statistics that the police and NZTA use?

Motorcycle accidents occur On Road Race circuits, Motocross tracks, Dirt tracks, farms .. 10 acre lifestyle blocks .. some even occur on the road. ALL motorcycle accidents ...

Have you any reason to doubt how they are appearing in the statistics ... ???

ACC policy at the time was not to breakdown stats into the various sections of each.

I wonder why ... ???

[FJRider]

Maybe just for the idiots.

Many a true word has been said in jest ...

[skippa1]

Actually ... they CAN ...

You must stop if signaled to do so by a Police officer.

If in the course of his duties ... he requires you to answer questions (nothing in ledgislation specifying ANY particular topics) ... you must answer.

To impede an officer in the course of his duties is an offence.

You must remain stopped untill he allows you to leave. To not do so is an offence. (35 demerits and a fine)

You sure? Like you seem soooooo sure!

Even I have to disagree on that one, sorry.

There's a limit to what you have to say, though why you'd enforce it is beyond me.

You have to supply name and address, and "other details as to identity". You also have to tell if you own the vehicle, and if you don't, who does. The questions about the gear are purely discretionary.

I believe in these sort of campaigns, not least because, anecdotally, about 3 in 10 of the riders we stop don't have the correct licence for the bike they are on. It's not possible to tell if the rider has a licence without first identifying who the rider is, requiring a stop for that to happen.

Still, it doesn't happen that often.

What was that FJ?????was that a " sorry.....I got it wrong"???????

[Katman]

Motorcycle accidents occur On Road Race circuits, Motocross tracks, Dirt tracks, farms .. 10 acre lifestyle blocks .. some even occur on the road. ALL motorcycle accidents ...

How many of them came to the attention of the police - and therefore NZTA?

[AllanB]

Being an official adult (49) and a motorcyclist since I was 16, I'd propose that part of the appeal of motorcycling is a degree of rebellion. This may be manifested in something as simple as riding at 110 instead of 100 or dependant on the individuals personal circumstances (money, family, brain power ...) something far more anti-social.

If any aspect of the above is slightly true then one could also presume the motorcyclist would have a natural (possibly subconscious) tendency to resent or resist education or advice from the law. After all you are rebelling against society and what great power represents society's enforced restrictions than the police.

PS - personally despite my own 'rebellion' I am always polite to the popo when they stop me for a chat - after all they are just doing their job and to be fair many times that is a very very difficult job.

[Scuba_Steve]

youre right of course. Motorcycling is obviously far too dangerous for anyone. It should be illegal.

They're working on it, give them time! Bureaucracy isn't a fast mover; After all "speed" is dangerous

[Ulsterkiwi]

The ONLY solution that has any chance of working is for you to take care of yourself and stop worrying about the fact that a small proportion of the driving public don't do things in a way that you consider "safe". Afterall, the majority of motorcycle accidents don't involve any other vehicles. How is educating "other" drivers going to help that?

Its a pity you have quoted me out of context, this must account for your being confused as to my meaning.
Of course incidents involving only motorcycles will not be directly helped with that.

If you actually read my comments and the entire thread you will see the discussion that had developed with Ratuscat was concerning the police being frustrated with high rates of serious incidents recently. A potential solution was to come down hard on motorcyclists but of course the spate of recent serious incidents have a significant proportion of other vehicles/road users being involved. The general issue being discussed was that of road safety, last I checked motorcycles are not alone on the roads. My entire line of thought has been that an inclusive way forward is the one likely to be most effective. Something you have (perhaps unwittingly) agreed with by stating:

The ONLY solution that has any chance of working is for you to take care of yourself and stop worrying about the fact that a small proportion of the driving public don't do things in a way that you consider "safe".

That proposal would work best if EVERYONE (i.e. ALL road users) followed that line of thinking.

[Katman]

After all you are rebelling against society and what great power represents society's enforced restrictions than the police.

Wouldn't it be great if we just rode motorcycles because they have two wheels?

[Ulsterkiwi]

After all "speed" is dangerous

Nope, coming to a rapid stop is.

[FJRider]

How many of them came to the attention of the police - and therefore NZTA?

As I recall .. all injury accidents are required by legislation to be reported to Police within 24 hours. This is typically assumed to be only for public highway accidents.

Police will seldom be notified by less than serious/life threatening .. or death involved accidents. But still injured the riders enough to require them time off work. If NO law breaking is involved ... there is no reason to involve police. (No fault insurance remember)

Fraudulent claims ... however ...

[skippa1]

Wouldn't it be great if we just rode motorcycles because they have two wheels?

I like that idea

[Katman]

I like that idea

I can't see it gaining much traction.

[skippa1]

I can't see it gaining much traction.

Shame.......it's a catchy phrase

[FJRider]

You have to supply name and address, and "other details as to identity". You also have to tell if you own the vehicle, and if you don't, who does. The questions about the gear are purely discretionary.

So as I said in one of my posts earlier .. if I said "I do not wish to take part in your survey ... can I go now .. ??" ... I'd be correct .. ???

And ... if the officer insisted I answer his questions ... ????