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    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    relax tim. NOTHING IS SRS.
    Sorry, one of my pet peeves is anyone calling motorcycles dangerous (hence the third line of my sig). The mere suggestion that I said so is something I tend to object strongly to.



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    Quote Originally Posted by GrayWolf View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    I did read your entire post and the entire thread. If you were just referring to these incidents then that wasn't clear to me.
    Fair enough

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    However, my point still stands. Irrespective of how many other vehicles are involved there is only one person that you have any real ability to control - you.
    If that was your point, cant argue.

    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    Therein lies the problem. This is a blip of no more statistical significance than any similar period with no accidents.
    No, the problem is the police will not share your interpretation and will try to address this blip, public pressure will require them to as well. Not liking the interpretation or not agreeing with it will not change things.


    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    But it only takes one to follow it to keep you safeR.
    fixed it for you. I refer you to.....

    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    However, my point still stands. Irrespective of how many other vehicles are involved there is only one person that you have any real ability to control - you.
    Can't have it both ways. The most effective change is one with all stakeholders buying into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    I had a look at a different response in the last couple of years, trying to engage with motorcyclists, have them take ownership of the issues, and to promote solutions that bikers can implement themselves.

    The response has been underwhelming. I had one bloke recently do one of the training courses in order to get off a ticket he had received. 2 weeks later I get a complaint about a guy using a cycle lave as a passing lane, and it turns out to be the same bloke.
    Is using a cycle lane as a passing lane (while in traffic) really that tragic? Please expand on more of those solutions you promote.
    Cras ingens iterabimus aequor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    That's ok for you guys in the sticks, you don't have a million texting, phoning, Hip hop windows down, nose picking, noodle eating, makeup applying, lane changing, speeding, blind, deaf cagers , you just have some blokes on tractors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulsterkiwi View Post
    No, the problem is the police will not share your interpretation and will try to address this blip, public pressure will require them to as well. Not liking the interpretation or not agreeing with it will not change things.
    So true. VERY few people actually understand the true nature of statistics over time. This is one negative of modern media - blips are news - long term statistics aren't.

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    fixed it for you. I refer you to.....
    Fair enough. It is a continuum. No matter how hard you work at it some small risk will remain. That's what makes life interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ulsterkiwi View Post
    Can't have it both ways.
    I'm not sure how that is having it both ways? I've lost count of how many situations I've been in over the years that could've easily led to my demise if my sub-conscious wasn't properly trained. Mostly from the actions of others but also, occasionaly from my own actions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ulsterkiwi View Post
    The most effective change is one with all stakeholders buying into it.
    Yes and no. The most effective change is one that gets implemented. A change that is said to fail if one stakeholder doesn't buy into it will inevitably fail in a large enough population. This is the nature of the species.
    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin (1706-90)

    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending to much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)

    "Motorcycling is not inherently dangerous. It is, however, EXTREMELY unforgiving of inattention, ignorance, incompetence and stupidity!" - Anonymous

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    so essentially if it was up to us the problem could be solved.....damn and I am busy this year.....

    Dont see much there I would disagree with mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    Yes and no. The most effective change is one that gets implemented. A change that is said to fail if one stakeholder doesn't buy into it will inevitably fail in a large enough population. This is the nature of the species.
    and just whos job is it to implement?
    You can implement any shit you like, if it gets ignored, theres a failing in the system,or exactly what it is being implemented, vis, speed limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angle View Post
    Is using a cycle lane as a passing lane (while in traffic) really that tragic? Please expand on more of those solutions you promote.
    Some cyclists might think so ...

    But it is illegal .... on at least 3 counts ...
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    Cyclists are a diabolical hazard on our roads anyway, since they have a special lane they dont generally use i feel its safer to ride in this than filtering on the right side of vehicles on aucklands carpark roads. and use the large box at the front of some traffiic lights designated for two wheels. doing this in sneakers, stubbies and a wife beater is makes me look awesome while checking out pedestrians on queen st. i cant wait to do this new survey.
    Balance should not be forgotten when on two wheels

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    Yawn....

    Did someone say something important?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ View Post
    Yawn....

    Did someone say something important?????
    on kb??
    Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ View Post
    Yawn....

    Did someone say something important?????
    And did somebody important say something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    and just whos job is it to implement?
    Mine. And yours if you want to. Makes no difference to me.

    If I want to be safer I need to change MYSELF. I honestly don't care much what the rest of the traffic does. I will keep myself safe. It's worked for the last 30 years.
    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin (1706-90)

    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending to much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)

    "Motorcycling is not inherently dangerous. It is, however, EXTREMELY unforgiving of inattention, ignorance, incompetence and stupidity!" - Anonymous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grashopper View Post
    I'm not really seeing the problem. Answer a few questions, have a nice chat and that's it. There's surely worse things to be stopped for.
    Because if I'm already running late for work, why would I want to be stopped by a prat of a cop who wants to ask me some stupid questions that if they really needed to be asked could be sent out in the form of an email? It may not be a big problem, but it could also be a real inconvenience to be held up for ten minutes or so because they want to know exactly what safety gear you have.
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