We have lost 13

[Quasievil]

Anyone know how many of those 13 where single vehicle events ?

[Banditbandit]

FFS WISE THE FUCK UP YOU STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID CUNTS

If we really did that we would not ride bikes ...

[blue rider]

My sincere condolences to family and friends. This goes to all touched by the death of all 13 this year.

Apart from the earlier mentioned safe falling down on us, we riders are in most cases our own worst enemies. Every intersection, every truck and every car has the ability to kill you. It is your responsibility to make them fail.

can't give you no loves the computer says...but what you said needed to be repeated.

[cs363]

Hey cassina, could you be any more stupid?

Sadly, yes.
Every consecutive post confirms it.

[sil3nt]

No I mean when there is no cars in front but lots going the other way. I remember years ago MOT bike cops used to love riding behind me on my left in the hope I could not see them. I could though and had a frustrating wait flicking my eyes between them and the speedo before they realized I was aware they were there and they buggered off to entrap someone else.

[Mushu]

Have been in accidents but never my fault and in each case things happened too quick to even brake hence my reason why I don't see for myself rider training being of any benefit. If I was to have an accident that was my own fault it would likely be for going too fast where I know there is a safety trade off (unlike some on here) which I do not need riding lessons to know the consequences of. You can blame 2 irresponsible dog owners and a car driver for my accidents.
I too have been surprised by foul language from women in the workplace and thought I was on a building site when I first heard them. I don't mind it so bad from guys but I feel its uncalled for without knowing how I ride and to have to resort to foul language to try and sell the merit of something is hardly salesmanship in my opinion.

I think everyone who never did anything about improving their riding skills would say something similar to the above quote, won't be much comfort when you're lying in a ditch somewhere, even if the event that got you there "wasn't your fault".

Books, videos and professional training all have things to offer and just one piece of advice might be what saves your life one day, you're far better to learn everything you can while you can. I crashed my ninja once and while technically it wasn't my fault, the first thing I did was figure out how to change my riding habits to make sure I am prepared to deal with that situation if it ever arises again (and I have been in that position again since and made it through)

[ZeroIndex]

I think everyone who never did anything about improving their riding skills would say something similar to the above quote, won't be much comfort when you're lying in a ditch somewhere, even if the event that got you there "wasn't your fault".

Books, videos and professional training all have things to offer and just one piece of advice might be what saves your life one day, you're far better to learn everything you can while you can. I crashed my ninja once and while technically it wasn't my fault, the first thing I did was figure out how to change my riding habits to make sure I am prepared to deal with that situation if it ever arises again (and I have been in that position again since and made it through)

Agreed,

Have been in accidents but never my fault and in each case things happened too quick to even brake hence my reason why I don't see for myself rider training being of any benefit. If I was to have an accident that was my own fault it would likely be for going too fast where I know there is a safety trade off (unlike some on here) which I do not need riding lessons to know the consequences of. You can blame 2 irresponsible dog owners and a car driver for my accidents.
I too have been surprised by foul language from women in the workplace and thought I was on a building site when I first heard them. I don't mind it so bad from guys but I feel its uncalled for without knowing how I ride and to have to resort to foul language to try and sell the merit of something is hardly salesmanship in my opinion.

@Cassini: Even though you may say "it's not your fault", if you give yourself enough space, be aware of your surroundings, you might be able to avoid any nasty incidences. And that is what those rider training days do... teach you how to be mindful of your surroundings.

That said, with the wrong attitude, no amount of guidance will make a fucking difference.

[Banditbandit]

Look .. riding bikes is a dangerous and anti-social activity ... that's why I ride them - especially why I ride them faster than the law says I should ... I'm an old crazy and a risk taker ...

And yeah, I might die on the way home tonite because I'm riding my bike home ... but we all die sooner or later - no-one is allowed to get out of here alive - "so let me live my life the way I want to" ...

And before you all say "what about the people you leave behind?" Well, the people I care about all know what I think about it - and if I die riding a bike I hope they all get pissed at my funeral and have a good time ... which they will ...

[Conquiztador]

@Cassini: Even though you may say "it's not your fault", if you give yourself enough space, be aware of your surroundings, you might be able to avoid any nasty incidences. And that is what those rider training days do... teach you how to be mindful of your surroundings.

That said, with the wrong attitude, no amount of guidance will make a fucking difference.

You would have to be a muppet to need a training day to become mindful of your surroundings. That is not to say that training days are not benefitial. But if that is what you are hoping to come away with then you might be better of playing Road Rash on PS than to be on the road.

[Banditbandit]

That said, with the wrong attitude, no amount of guidance will make a fucking difference.

Who says "wrong attitude"??? What's your definition ??? Who has a "wrong attitude"???

That's completely judgemental

[ZeroIndex]

You would have to be a muppet to need a training day to become mindful of your surroundings. That is not to say that training days are not benefitial. But if that is what you are hoping to come away with then you might be better of playing Road Rash on PS than to be on the road.

I'm not talking about the track time, I'm talking about the classroom sessions. Although it should be common sense, it isn't always common. Having something pointing out something that should be obvious is sometimes enlightening.

Who says "wrong attitude"??? What's your definition ??? Who has a "wrong attitude"???

That's completely judgemental

I was referring to this:

Have been in accidents but never my fault and in each case things happened too quick to even brake

Wrong attitude: not accepting responsibility for incorrect following distance, not paying attention to what the vehicle ahead (or 2-3 cars ahead), side roads, pedestrians, stray animals.

The 2-second rule (although it should actually be a couple seconds more) is around to allow a person to maneuver, brake etc to avoid a collision if someone in front, behind or to the side of you does something unexpected.

[cynna]

Look .. riding bikes is a dangerous and anti-social activity ... that's why I ride them - especially why I ride them faster than the law says I should ... I'm an old crazy and a risk taker ...

And yeah, I might die on the way home tonite because I'm riding my bike home ... but we all die sooner or later - no-one is allowed to get out of here alive - "so let me live my life the way I want to" ...

And before you all say "what about the people you leave behind?" Well, the people I care about all know what I think about it - and if I die riding a bike I hope they all get pissed at my funeral and have a good time ... which they will ...

best post i have read on here. totally agree and yes theres nothing better then going 105kmh

[unstuck]

Look .. riding bikes is a dangerous and anti-social activity ... but we all die sooner or later - no-one is allowed to get out of here alive - "so let me live my life the way I want to" ...

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[Katman]

.. riding bikes is a dangerous and anti-social activity ...

No it's not.

It sounds like that's just the way you like to make it.

[Blackbird]

You would have to be a muppet to need a training day to become mindful of your surroundings.

Bollocks

Maybe not a training day but a series of training days specifically designed will really help your situational awareness. Police riding and driving programmes as well as commercial pilots, the military etc all have a strong focus on this element. What makes ordinary motorcycle riders so different? (Apart from some know-it-alls on KB of course)