Stupid World

[Akzle]

I thought the whole point was to take [ a ] piss...

oh stop. Youll get mashy even more excited.

[mashman]

But what if the two you turned off the idea, what if they do the same? I know I'm only too happy to point out the flaws in NOW and other systems like it.

[trying to be sensible and honest post]

That could be the case. All I know is that those of us who have been in the capitalist/financial system and have changed our minds in favour of a NOW or similar, can never look at the capitalist/financial system again. I wish I could explain that to ya, but honestly you have to convince yourself before anyone can convince you. I have been where you are, obviously not exactly, but 6+ years ago I would have defended the capitalist/financial system against a NOW and likely on the same grounds as yourself.

Now whilst that may not be strictly true (as I truly don't remember who I was 6+ years ago), I did use many of the arguments put that the "anti" crowd put forwards against those who suffer at its hands. I don't any more and only do so in sarcasm, sometimes I get blinged for it (one of life's little pleasures), in fact it's not so much that I don't anymore, it is that given what I now understand, I can't. I've done the capitalist thing and have come to realise just how futile it is when the goal is supposed to be human beings getting better at things. We're quite obviously not on the whole.

The only thing I would change in those 37 years a capitalist, is that I would wish that I had have gone balls out to make a fuckload of cash and then come to exactly the same point 6 years ago. Meh, that ship has sailed......... maybe. I honestly wish you could understand why "we" can't look at the system the same again, but it is you that has to change your mind. It is you that decides that it can or can't happen.

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[bogan]

[trying to be sensible and honest post]

That could be the case. All I know is that those of us who have been in the capitalist/financial system and have changed our minds in favour of a NOW or similar, can never look at the capitalist/financial system again. I wish I could explain that to ya, but honestly you have to convince yourself before anyone can convince you. I have been where you are, obviously not exactly, but 6+ years ago I would have defended the capitalist/financial system against a NOW and likely on the same grounds as yourself.

Now whilst that may not be strictly true (as I truly don't remember who I was 6+ years ago), I did use many of the arguments put that the "anti" crowd put forwards against those who suffer at its hands. I don't any more and only do so in sarcasm, sometimes I get blinged for it (one of life's little pleasures), in fact it's not so much that I don't anymore, it is that given what I now understand, I can't. I've done the capitalist thing and have come to realise just how futile it is when the goal is supposed to be human beings getting better at things. We're quite obviously not on the whole.

The only thing I would change in those 37 years a capitalist, is that I would wish that I had have gone balls out to make a fuckload of cash and then come to exactly the same point 6 years ago. Meh, that ship has sailed......... maybe. I honestly wish you could understand why "we" can't look at the system the same again, but it is you that has to change your mind. It is you that decides that it can or can't happen.

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You changing your mind for your own reasons doesn't extend to anyone else though. The surety you have in the idea is not borne out in the arguments you make for it; it's going to be near impossible to go from a minority acceptance to a required majority without being able to make compelling arguments. Even worse than that, is an exhibited lack of understanding into how the current system works. That's what I see, that's what many others see, and time alone won't change those things. We have no motivation to convince ourselves of anything other than what we already believe, it is up to the system's proponents to do the convincing in leu of that motivation, and they just don't have what it takes.
Basically, I see more zealotry than reason in the arguments for NOW, and that's not something I want being applied to the country as a whole.

[mashman]

You changing your mind for your own reasons doesn't extend to anyone else though. The surety you have in the idea is not borne out in the arguments you make for it; it's going to be near impossible to go from a minority acceptance to a required majority without being able to make compelling arguments. Even worse than that, is an exhibited lack of understanding into how the current system works. That's what I see, that's what many others see, and time alone won't change those things. We have no motivation to convince ourselves of anything other than what we already believe, it is up to the system's proponents to do the convincing in leu of that motivation, and they just don't have what it takes.
Basically, I see more zealotry than reason in the arguments for NOW, and that's not something I want being applied to the country as a whole.

It does in that others have changed their mind for their reasons. The reasons may well be different, but the goal is the same. As I've said, you put up your own roadblocks, it wouldn't matter how I explained it to you as I'm not the one to explain it to you because you can't get past me. You have said yourself that the idea has merit and that it is my fault that you are moving further away from the idea. Yet you refuse to accept that is it you that's pushing away from the idea because of me. Moderately amusing to say the least, moronic at best. Lack of understanding eh, in that I don't know everything about the system sure (who does?), in that I don't know where money comes from and what it really represents in the lives of people, I call bullshit on your high brow analysis. You hanging on to that as another reason to push back is highly amusing.

Hang on a minute. You're saying that you need to be convinced by others in order to make your own mind up? Grow a pair. Seriously, grow a pair. Tis one of the more weak and pathetic whimpering fears I ditched a while ago. It's up to you to think what you choose to think, it's up to you to motivate yourself, but make no mistake, it is you that's teaching yourself and it is you that motivates yourself, not those who are professing to be teaching you and not those offering you incentives. @zealotry jesus christ that's fuckin hilarious, you have no idea. Thanks for that.

You see what you see. Please see my avatar, it's speaking to you.

[bogan]

It does in that others have changed their mind for their reasons. The reasons may well be different, but the goal is the same. As I've said, you put up your own roadblocks, it wouldn't matter how I explained it to you as I'm not the one to explain it to you because you can't get past me. You have said yourself that the idea has merit and that it is my fault that you are moving further away from the idea. Yet you refuse to accept that is it you that's pushing away from the idea because of me. Moderately amusing to say the least, moronic at best. Lack of understanding eh, in that I don't know everything about the system sure (who does?), in that I don't know where money comes from and what it really represents in the lives of people, I call bullshit on your high brow analysis. You hanging on to that as another reason to push back is highly amusing.

Hang on a minute. You're saying that you need to be convinced by others in order to make your own mind up? Grow a pair. Seriously, grow a pair. Tis one of the more weak and pathetic whimpering fears I ditched a while ago. It's up to you to think what you choose to think, it's up to you to motivate yourself, but make no mistake, it is you that's teaching yourself and it is you that motivates yourself, not those who are professing to be teaching you and not those offering you incentives. @zealotry jesus christ that's fuckin hilarious, you have no idea. Thanks for that.

You see what you see. Please see my avatar, it's speaking to you.

Zealotry again, the roadblock/motivation arguments are bullshit, as I could equally say you put up roadblocks and lack motivation to accepting the reality of the financial system, it's just a useless ad-hominem that wastes time and makes you look foolish. All I use is logic and reason; stop trying to make this personal and accept that my opinion is justified based on those grounds. You've said the countries external debt could be eliminated by selling million dollar hammers, you've said increasing GDP is the same as money laundering; these are pants-on-head-retarded things to say, nobody with such a profound lack of understanding in the way things currently work should have any say at all into the way things should work.

I have chosen what to think, why can you not grasp that my reasoned choice is different from yours? If you assert mine is wrong and want to change it, then offer up some reasoning. You've tried, you don't have any; so you fall back on zealotry, anger, and ad-hominems, that is how you further damage your cause.

I think most of us find great irony in your avatar (as we do with the thread title), because your mind-blindness seems to equate enlightenment with anti-govt and anti-money; instead of with logic and reason.

The only thing I would change in those 37 years a capitalist, is that I would wish that I had have gone balls out to make a fuckload of cash and then come to exactly the same point 6 years ago.

Also, on the topic of irony, you're now against capitalism but wish you had worked harder and made more money?

[mashman]

Zealotry again, the roadblock/motivation arguments are bullshit, as I could equally say you put up roadblocks and lack motivation to accepting the reality of the financial system, it's just a useless ad-hominem that wastes time and makes you look foolish. All I use is logic and reason; stop trying to make this personal and accept that my opinion is justified based on those grounds. You've said the countries external debt could be eliminated by selling million dollar hammers, you've said increasing GDP is the same as money laundering; these are pants-on-head-retarded things to say, nobody with such a profound lack of understanding in the way things currently work should have any say at all into the way things should work.

I have chosen what to think, why can you not grasp that my reasoned choice is different from yours? If you assert mine is wrong and want to change it, then offer up some reasoning. You've tried, you don't have any; so you fall back on zealotry, anger, and ad-hominems, that is how you further damage your cause.

I think most of us find great irony in your avatar (as we do with the thread title), because your mind-blindness seems to equate enlightenment with anti-govt and anti-money; instead of with logic and reason.

Also, on the topic of irony, you're now against capitalism but wish you had worked harder and made more money?

So, all about me again along with misquotes and removal of context

I have grasped that, it's you that hasn't grasped that I have. You have been offered reason and logic and you have refused the system due to lack of information. See, I get it. go project your faults elsewhere.

No, you're saying anti-govt (NOW has a govt), anti-money (NOW uses money, just differently), I have offered logic and reason and you didn't like it. Look, whatever fictions you choose to tell yourself about what you think you know about NOW is fine. It makes no odds to me.

Yes.

I spray, I walk away.

[Brian d marge]

Receiving without guilt and giving without want are very hard to do

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[Brian d marge]

And yes in england back in the day there was no property ownership , same with maori
Money and all of it vices didnt exist
Bring on ww3 i need to do some shopping


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[unstuck]

Stupid humans.... http://truththeory.com/2014/03/17/sw...o-every-adult/



Stupid humans......

[bogan]

Look, whatever fictions you choose to tell yourself about what you think you know about NOW is fine.

Why the continued zealotry? I've looked at the facts just as you have, why do you class my interpretations as fictions, as yours as right? It's not a very open-minded way to approach the discussion.

[mashman]

Stupid humans.... http://truththeory.com/2014/03/17/sw...o-every-adult/



Stupid humans.....

[unstuck]

[unstuck]

http://www.collective-evolution.com/...rolling-in-it/

[mashman]

http://www.collective-evolution.com/...rolling-in-it/

I am entitled to whatever I believe I have worked for. I don't care what the banks do or how they do it, they must maintain my lifestyle... and we can always blame the poor

Happy 2014 unstuck

[unstuck]

Happy 2014 unstuck

Likewise.