Ah "silent T' you're the man for me!

**oldrider** · 21st March 2014, 19:07

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Naaa ... not true at all ... MY relations are a fair way south of there ...

But how about this ??? Shane Jones going with Winnie?

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/2208...zealand-first/

Two suicidal politicians in one year ?

Hmmmm there must be lot of undercurrent stuff going on because there is very little of any consequence going on on top!

**skippa1** · 22nd March 2014, 07:49

Originally Posted by avgas

Why? I paid for it.

Everyone did

**skippa1** · 22nd March 2014, 07:51

Originally Posted by rustyrobot

That old gem. I still assert that the opposite is true. You buy into it, you have no right to complain. Like some fool who plays blackjack - if another number comes up - tough luck, you bought in you can't whinge about it. Those who don't play are totally entitled to say "what a sucker - he thought he could beat the house".

You can let shit happen to you or you can make shit happen.

opting out simply allows shit to happen to you

**mashman** · 22nd March 2014, 08:10

Originally Posted by skippa1

You can let shit happen to you or you can make shit happen.

opting out simply allows shit to happen to you

By voting to be governed?

And the difference in outcome between one who votes and one who doesn't vote is?

**skippa1** · 22nd March 2014, 08:18

Originally Posted by mashman

By voting to be governed?

And the difference in outcome between one who votes and one who doesn't vote is?

There is no choice as to being governed.......it's what we do here. You might not like it, you might not agree with it, but it happens anyway.
to vote is to have some say in who governs and how they govern. To not vote, is to accept whatever the majority of voters have voted for.
the difference? One grizzles with just cause, whilst another just grizzles.

**avgas** · 22nd March 2014, 08:20

Originally Posted by skippa1

Everyone did

So everyone pays for something, but some are not allowed to discuss it?
Terribly sorry, I thought NZ was a free land. I won't speak ill of politicians again.

Opps I did it again. I promise next time I won't speak ill of them.

**avgas** · 22nd March 2014, 08:22

Originally Posted by skippa1

You can let shit happen to you or you can make shit happen.

So nothing happened outside of voting for it?

Thank goodness you don't have to think for yourself. You don't happen to have any dependents under you do you? If so do let the authorities know so they can take them into care.

**skippa1** · 22nd March 2014, 08:23

Originally Posted by avgas

So everyone pays for something, but some are not allowed to discuss it?
Terribly sorry, I thought NZ was a free land. I won't speak ill of politicians again.

You can go back to sucking the old mans cock now.

Opps I did it again. I promise next time I won't speak ill of them.

Pffft symantics.
you don't get to grizzle if you choose to opt out

**skippa1** · 22nd March 2014, 08:24

Originally Posted by avgas

So nothing happened outside of voting for it?

Thank goodness you don't have to think for yourself. You don't happen to have any dependents under you do you? If so do let the authorities know so they can take them into care.

A thinking man chooses his fate

**avgas** · 22nd March 2014, 08:25

Originally Posted by skippa1

There is no choice as to being governed.......it's what we do here. You might not like it, you might not agree with it, but it happens anyway.
to vote is to have some say in who governs and how they govern. To not vote, is to accept whatever the majority of voters have voted for.
the difference? One grizzles with just cause, whilst another just grizzles.

So there is no way to stop the grizzling? What a terrible way to live. Like indefinite torture.

**avgas** · 22nd March 2014, 08:30

Originally Posted by skippa1

Pffft symantics.
you don't get to grizzle if you choose to opt out

Yes I do. Its the glory of being a NZ citizen.
People fought in wars for that kind of stuff.

I could say that you don't get to grizzle because you asked for it.........but the fact of the matter is you do get to grizzle. Because NZ society is not as closed as you might think.
There is no law preventing either of us complaining.

Of course the argument about complaining about something you asked for. Well I'm no neuroscience-person........but I believe it would fall under the masochistic side of the psyche. Unless they held a gun to your head, then told you to vote.......in which case I am truly sorry.