Of course this couldn't happen here

[george formby]

No - the blond in the car does though

That would be the blonde driving. The dude in the funky shorts gets out the back door.

[Murray]

That would be the blonde driving. The dude in the funky shorts gets out the back door.

So correct you are - should have realised straight away that it was the blond women driving

[george formby]

So correct you are - should have realised straight away that it was the blond women driving

I didn't click instantly, the bloke leaping out the car causes assumption.

[triplethumper]

There's some pretty long shadows on the ground, Driver may not have seen bike due to sunstrike... still no excuse. Doesn't look like bike had his headlight on which may have helped? Hard to say but I'm bloody sure I couldn't have avoided that car either.

[Murray]

There's some pretty long shadows on the ground, Driver may not have seen bike due to sunstrike... still no excuse. Doesn't look like bike had his headlight on which may have helped? Hard to say but I'm bloody sure I couldn't have avoided that car either.

Don't worry KATMAN will be along at some stage to tell us all what should have been done in that situation.

I await with interest

[pritch]

I await with interest

You are not alone.

[Swoop]

I await with interest

I'll join the queue... Sure it will be educational Interesting.

[Murray]

Hello Katman I question and a few others are also interested on your advice on avoiding this situation.

no pisstake from me but your thoughts please. A similar event happened to me.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...-t-happen-here

cheers

[MVnut]

Firstly, the guy following is riding a Z1000 by the looks of it :

Secondly, from the time you can see the car pulling across to the point of contact, I count just over 2 seconds. Enough time to stop from 30mph (50km/h)? Or turn?

Nowhere near enough time to brake short of the car mate, get real.....and coming across like that you don't really know which option is a safe one to try and avoid the crash. What would you have done? Go right? Go left? Or just brake?

[James Deuce]

Nowhere near enough time to brake short of the car mate, get real.....and coming across like that you don't really know which option is a safe one to try and avoid the crash. What would you have done? Go right? Go left? Or just brake?

WFO into the driver's door!

[haydes55]

Nowhere near enough time to brake short of the car mate, get real.....and coming across like that you don't really know which option is a safe one to try and avoid the crash. What would you have done? Go right? Go left? Or just brake?

Last time I practiced emergency braking I could stop in about 3-4 bike lengths from 50km/h without any reaction times. Personally though I would have panicked, braked, once realising it was futile, released the brakes and turn as sharp as I could right. And maybe still collect the car.

Maybe they were going faster than 30mph, maybe he didn't brake as efficiently as he could have, maybe he target fixated. Who knows, all I know is he went down, and there may have been a way to avoid the crash. I'm not saying I'm an above average rider by any stretch of the imagination. But when I see a crash, I'd rather find a way to avoid that happening to me, than to just accept crashing as a fact of riding bikes.

Katman may not be delicate with his words, but he makes a shit load of sense sometimes. And I don't see why any rider would be happy just having a SMIDSY every couple of years. Do people crash twice in the same situation? I'd love to learn from other peoples crashes.

I'm going to actually practice and see how sharp I can turn at 50km/h, I'd presume quite sharp if I were prepared for it. In an emergency, less so. But I don't want to be limited to just braking in a straight line if such a scenario arises.

[Murray]

Katman may not be delicate with his words, but he makes a shit load of sense sometimes.

Katmans wisdom has been sought in another thread re this scenario. he has yet to respond

[george formby]

Last time I practiced emergency braking I could stop in about 3-4 bike lengths from 50km/h without any reaction times. Personally though I would have panicked, braked, once realising it was futile, released the brakes and turn as sharp as I could right. And maybe still collect the car.

Maybe they were going faster than 30mph, maybe he didn't brake as efficiently as he could have, maybe he target fixated. Who knows, all I know is he went down, and there may have been a way to avoid the crash. I'm not saying I'm an above average rider by any stretch of the imagination. But when I see a crash, I'd rather find a way to avoid that happening to me, than to just accept crashing as a fact of riding bikes.

Katman may not be delicate with his words, but he makes a shit load of sense sometimes. And I don't see why any rider would be happy just having a SMIDSY every couple of years. Do people crash twice in the same situation? I'd love to learn from other peoples crashes.

I'm going to actually practice and see how sharp I can turn at 50km/h, I'd presume quite sharp if I were prepared for it. In an emergency, less so. But I don't want to be limited to just braking in a straight line if such a scenario arises.

I've done a bit of that evasion practice. Quite remarkable how quick & hard you can move the bike. It has to work in two directions, though. Out of lane to avoid the numpty & back into lane to avoid oncoming traffic. It's a very interesting exercise & highly entertaining for observers. Got to have good situational awareness too pull it off, your increasing potential collisions.
Still reckon in the op's vid it would have been a case of "STOP YA BASSID!" Anchors away & fingers crossed.

Oh. You have to get the evasion thing off pat with one hand so you can flick the bird in passing, cool factor. Push, pull. A quick swerve is just anorak.

[swbarnett]

Still reckon in the op's vid it would have been a case of "STOP YA BASSID!" Anchors away & fingers crossed.

I know what I would've done. I'm not saying it would've worked in that situation but it has worked for me in similar ones.

1. Emergency brake.
2. Half way to car (once you know you can't stop in time) release the brake.
3. Massive countersteer to the right - to the point that if you keep going you'll fall over.
4. Just when you are about to get to the point of no return (or sooner if you're far enough right) stop youself falling with a massive countersteer to the left.
5. By now you should be upright, straight and able to clear the back of the car. Get on the gas double quick and get back in your own lane.
6. Pull over and stop. The adrenaline rush has propbably put you in no condition to keep riding. Take some time to calm down.

My rule of thumb for approaching a car that wants to turn accross my path is as follows:

Recognise their intent by either seeing an indicator (the easy way) or observing an unusual reduction in speed. Ease off the throttle and move to the leff of the lane (in you're already in the left wiggle to the right and back). This means you're more likely to be able to get past in time if you need to and they're more likely to see you as you cross the lane than if you stay stayionary in their view. Once you get close enough to the car that braking is not a practible option if they do turn in front of you wind open the throttle and get the hell out of there. If they do turn in front of you proceed as outlined above.

[Metastable]

Very hard to avoid that one..... one of those reasons why even though you don't plan to crash... gear is good.

IMO -and easy to say in hindsight, but hard to do in practice.... you swerve .