Ah "silent T' you're the man for me!

[mashman]

The fact that you speak with forked tongue is also amusing. You could be a politician

see what i did there?

There was no forked tongue. Unfortunately I'm considering it.

Dunno what you mean.

[oldrider]

The fact that you speak with forked tongue is also amusing. You could be a politician

see what i did there?

Did you not know that many many New Zealanders speak with false teeth ... did you see what I did there too?

[skippa1]

Did you not know that many many New Zealanders speak with false teeth ... did you see what I did there too?

I did and an old rider should know that too

[BoristheBiter]

You translated what I said in a way that you decided I said it. Your logic flaw, not mine.

You do the same to every post you disagree with.

[mashman]

You do the same to every post you disagree with.

I do... sometimes I get the context right too.

[BoristheBiter]

I do... sometimes I get the context right too.

But most of the time you just make shit up to fit what ever you are arguing over at the time.

[mashman]

but most of the time you just make shit up to fit what ever you are arguing over at the time.

yessssssss maaaaaassssterrrrrr.

[avgas]

... A system which in fact represents a workable negative feedback control loop.
Something that the practice of allowing an increasingly parasitic element a say in an economy they're only ever going to damage is not.

Note I stated "you pay you play". Amount was never a consideration. The few I have met in NZ who don't pay.......don't want to play and want to be left alone.

Note also I stated "vested interest" not "invested interest", the 2 are fundamentally different in terms of non-tangible buy-in.

[avgas]

Well given that the current government is a democratically elected one...

You do know the term Democratically is the same as stating trees are living things.

Some of us are not saying dump democracy. Just to fix it. Allow people to vote and elect more than just representatives.
Currently in NZ - referendums are non-binding. I ask - what is the point of having something that no-one has to check/use/compare?
Why waste time and effort?

Dictatorships seem a far more efficient means, if we simple elect representatives - why not just elect a dictator to tell us what to do? Save us all this hassle of referendums that no-one uses to make decisions. It would also save us having to be lied to.

Or we could make small changes in NZ (such as make all referendums binding) where every now and then, when the people speak - the government is forced to listen. Thus making us a stronger democracy. Rather than just a democratically elected, dictatorship ruled one.

Do you believe that a majority of NZ is too stupid to control their own lives? If so are you above or below average intelligence in NZ?

[BoristheBiter]

Note I stated "you pay you play". Amount was never a consideration. The few I have met in NZ who don't pay.......don't want to play and want to be left alone.

But that's the thing, people forget what is paid for.
So as long as they want to sit in a hut and never leave that's fine.
As soon as they leave, said hut, they can pay up like the rest of us.

[oldrider]

Voting only changes the players. It doesn’t change the game.

Comment from Warren Buffet article in another thread suitable for repeating here!

[Robbo]

Politicians.......Don't you just love them..

[Ocean1]

Note I stated "you pay you play". Amount was never a consideration. The few I have met in NZ who don't pay.......don't want to play and want to be left alone.

Note also I stated "vested interest" not "invested interest", the 2 are fundamentally different in terms of non-tangible buy-in.

But the amount is definitely a required consideration for sustainability. We currently have 55% of taxpayers drawing more in benefits than they're contributing in tax.

That's fucking absurd. And it's what's driving the other effect you bitch about: arbitrary public service budget constraints. Like ACC's blanket denials for cover, based on nothing more than generic reasons designed to manage the budget.

I've had a senior polly tell me that's scope creep. Which is bullshit, I manage projects, I know what scope creep is. The problem's got the same solution, though: Define and cost the objectives adequately in the first place. As you say: require detailed budget plans for every cost centre for eligibility to govern, and then hold them to it. Stop the arseholes promising everything to everyone and then immediately breaking those promises.

The other thing that has to change, there: Middle income NZers have to live within their means. So firstly change the tax system so that govt doesn't take so much from them that they have to give some of it back in order to pay critical bills. And then restructure benefits so that just those that can't survive without them in fact receive them.

[Ocean1]

You do know the term Democratically is the same as stating trees are living things.

Some of us are not saying dump democracy. Just to fix it. Allow people to vote and elect more than just representatives.
Currently in NZ - referendums are non-binding. I ask - what is the point of having something that no-one has to check/use/compare?
Why waste time and effort?

Dictatorships seem a far more efficient means, if we simple elect representatives - why not just elect a dictator to tell us what to do? Save us all this hassle of referendums that no-one uses to make decisions. It would also save us having to be lied to.

Or we could make small changes in NZ (such as make all referendums binding) where every now and then, when the people speak - the government is forced to listen. Thus making us a stronger democracy. Rather than just a democratically elected, dictatorship ruled one.

Insomuch as there's lots of different flavours, yes. My point was that any of them are better than any of the alternatives.

Agree with most of the rest.

Do you believe that a majority of NZ is too stupid to control their own lives? If so are you above or below average intelligence in NZ?

I believe that a majority of NZ think they're entitled to more than they earn, see the above post.

[oldrider]

Maybe an electronic thingy like the X factor would do it ... whenever more than the "minority" push their button the big X lights up and a very loud buzzer goes off!