A sobering read

[BoristheBiter]

But you know what would?

a .308 FMJ travelling at 600m/s ripping through their brain stem.

That would have to be a good shot.

.308 FMJ@150gr traveling 600msec = 400yrd(365m) from muzzle.

[Mushu]

Eradicating alcohol completely is the only way to solve the issue. The problem is it's far to easy to make alcohol, literally thousands of different ways with all kinds of ingredients so making it illegal would only create criminals, profits for those criminals and take money away from the government.

The whole issue is fucked and there is no clear cut solution, harsher penalties for repeat offenders is really the only thing we can do but that won't solve the problem, in reality it won't even make a dent in the problem. Drunk drivers are everywhere, fuck all we can really do about it other than be careful and do what ever we can to mitigate the risk to ourselves. Atleast until every car on the road drives itself.

[TheDemonLord]

Eradicating alcohol completely is the only way to solve the issue. The problem is it's far to easy to make alcohol, literally thousands of different ways with all kinds of ingredients so making it illegal would only create criminals, profits for those criminals and take money away from the government.

The whole issue is fucked and there is no clear cut solution, harsher penalties for repeat offenders is really the only thing we can do but that won't solve the problem, in reality it won't even make a dent in the problem. Drunk drivers are everywhere, fuck all we can really do about it other than be careful and do what ever we can to mitigate the risk to ourselves. Atleast until every car on the road drives itself.

First you need to scrap the limited licence system

then:

1st offence - automatic loss of licence for 6 months and a rediculas fine
2nd offence - automatic prison sentance
3rd offence - Death

Then I reckon we would see either a sharp decline in drink driving or we would see a very sharp decline in repeat drink driving offenders

[Mushu]

But you know what would?

a .308 FMJ travelling at 600m/s ripping through their brain stem.

Why FMJ? Is the average drunk driver wearing a kevlar helmet? (might make them easier to spot) JHP ammo would make a bigger mess.

[SPman]

When did ZB talkback somehow seque across to KB.............




Oh, it's always been thus..............

[SMOKEU]

The whole issue is fucked and there is no clear cut solution, harsher penalties for repeat offenders is really the only thing we can do but that won't solve the problem, in reality it won't even make a dent in the problem. Drunk drivers are everywhere, fuck all we can really do about it other than be careful and do what ever we can to mitigate the risk to ourselves. Atleast until every car on the road drives itself.

Harsh laws are the only viable solution. In Singapore, Saudi Arabia and Iran they don't have all these drunks causing problems like here. Now, the laws in those countries are completely fucked and I'm not suggesting we impose those draconian laws here, but there needs to be a balance. Only someone who is completely stupid or ignorant would agree that NZ doesn't have a major alcohol problem.

The repeat offenders don't give a fuck about another conviction, as it's just another item added to the list of previous offences and for some it's even seen as a "badge of honour" type situation. If people are sufficiently scared of the laws that they no longer want to offend, then crime is certain to drop. Those who still offend repeatedly should be locked up for a very long time, which will further enforce the mentality that this sort of behaviour is not acceptable, and will be dealt with accordingly. Once the crime to benefit ratio sufficiently falls away from the favour of the criminal, then those with any sort of sense will want to reevaluate their behaviour, and for those who are stupid enough to never learn, we have prisons for that.

[yevjenko]

Fuck - I'm glad I dont live where you do then...

Exactly what i thought! then i saw she lives in Christchurch and thought "it figures..."

[yevjenko]

That repeat drink drivers are still alive after 20 odd times shows that some people can do it

People under the influence normally come off better during a crash as due to their inability to react as quickly means their bodies are normally more relaxed and therefore get less injured than people who are sober and who try to tense up

[pritch]

The first offence should be mandatory 12mth loss of licence then after that permanent loss of licence and six months jail. Third time? Say two years jail and compulsory AA. Causing injury by accident - same as Aggravated Assault, causing death, mandatory Manslaughter. That carries the same possible penalties as murder. In all cases, no early parole. Full sentence served. I am not too confident of this happening any time soon.

Previous posts on KB seem to have created the impression that you drive under the influence of prescription meds? Does the staunch position you take here on alcohol
not seem just a little incongruous?

[Edbear]

Previous posts on KB seem to have created the impression that you drive under the influence of prescription meds? Does the staunch position you take here on alcohol
not seem just a little incongruous?

Don't believe everything you read on KB. I do take medications on prescription as do most people in the world, it would seem. I take about 20 pills a day to not only stay alive, but to function in a vertical capacity.

The difference, is that I work with my Doctor and other medical specialists to limit the side effects of anything I take, and to take the least amount possible. I would wager, were I a betting man, that most drivers/riders on the roads are taking some form of medication for some reason or other. What we are refeerring to here, is personal responsibility in minimising the risk to everyone on the road including ourselves, so if I was told by my medical specialist(s) not to drive while taking this or that, I wouldn't, simple. And even if I am not forbidden to drive, I have no hesitation in handing the wheel over to my wife or other driver with me if I feel I may not be in a suitable state. I have no ego to feed in this matter and safety is my priority when behind the wheel.

This thread is about recidivist drink drivers with no regard for either their own or anyone else's safety, who will continue to drive even after killing someone until they are stopped.

[ellipsis]

First you need to scrap the limited licence system

then:

1st offence - automatic loss of licence for 6 months and a rediculas fine
2nd offence - automatic prison sentance
3rd offence - Death

Then I reckon we would see either a sharp decline in drink driving or we would see a very sharp decline in repeat drink driving offenders

...does the liklihood of death row drastically reduce the incidences of homicide in Kentucky, Alabama, Virginia and those other states that condone legal homicide...I dont think so...Does the liklihood of a jail sentence stop recidivist drunk drivers who have been warned that they will go inside on their next appearence before a beak stop them...I dont think so...ineffectual words...piss is the problem and it's everybodies problem whether you are a drinker or a tee-totaller...but you ain't gonna fix that one , are you...not with words and surmising about it...prohibition would be fun, I'd still manage to get pissed...

[BoristheBiter]

...does the liklihood of death row drastically reduce the incidences of homicide in Kentucky, Alabama, Virginia and those other states that condone legal homicide...I dont think so...Does the liklihood of a jail sentence stop recidivist drunk drivers who have been warned that they will go inside on their next appearence before a beak stop them...I dont think so...ineffectual words...piss is the problem and it's everybodies problem whether you are a drinker or a tee-totaller...but you ain't gonna fix that one , are you...not with words and surmising about it...prohibition would be fun, I'd still manage to get pissed...

What a limp wrist, piss weak, wank fest of a post. (and that's just the lack of grammar and none existent sentence and paragraph structure)

Going by what you are saying here is, we should have no punishment for anything as people keep doing it anyway.

What you fail to comprehend is they will never do it again if, a) you never let them out or b) you put a bullet in their head.
Also if you make prison a shit load worse to be in, instead of the cuddle fest it is now it might become more of a deterrent.

We have had the left's way of doing things for quite some time and it just doesn't work so lets go the other way and start supporting victims
first and locking these fucktards away for good.

And yes it might not work but at least they wont be bothering anyone.

[Jay GTI]

I would wager, were I a betting man, that most drivers/riders on the roads are taking some form of medication for some reason or other..

Shame you aren't a betting man, I'd quite happily take your wager off you for that particular peice of fact-free nonsense.

[pritch]

This thread is about recidivist drink drivers with no regard for either their own or anyone else's safety, who will continue to drive even after killing someone until they are stopped.

Aaaaah context, now there's a thing :-)

[TheDemonLord]

...does the liklihood of death row drastically reduce the incidences of homicide in Kentucky, Alabama, Virginia and those other states that condone legal homicide...I dont think so...Does the liklihood of a jail sentence stop recidivist drunk drivers who have been warned that they will go inside on their next appearence before a beak stop them...I dont think so...ineffectual words...piss is the problem and it's everybodies problem whether you are a drinker or a tee-totaller...but you ain't gonna fix that one , are you...not with words and surmising about it...prohibition would be fun, I'd still manage to get pissed...

Who said anything about Deterrent?

I propose the Death sentance as a simple way of preventing repeat drink drivers from being able to re-offend.... permenantly.