Govt 'covering up' school funding plan

**mashman** · 26th March 2014, 17:09

Amusing as I did the very same thing the other night whilst helping middle daughter come to grips with how to add and take away numbers. The current way confuses her.

**Ocean1** · 26th March 2014, 17:36

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Yes - and who was responsible for that? Not the current crop of teachers that's for sure ... probably about the generation after you and I left school ..

http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-ge...e-unhappy.html

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

And if you are paying taxes now then you are paying the pensions now, not saving up for your future - if you belong to KiwiSaver you are certainly saving for your own retirement - and there are other measures recently put in place .. but taxes come in and go out to the pensioners at the same time.

Did you not notice the wee smilie?

I once asked the then minister for social development why they were spending my pension money on election bribes. He patiently explained that superannuation wasn't fully funded and launched into a detailed explanation of the impossibility of making that so. I pointed out that any schoolboy could calculate the resources required to fund what the current entitlements were and that is was absurd to expect a shrinking workforce to stump up the shortfall their failure to budget was causing. The conversation deteriorated from there, and I'm afraid I resorted to technical terminology unbecoming a guest at Govt house and had to retire in order to maintain even vaguely decorous relations.

**bogan** · 26th March 2014, 17:38

Originally Posted by mashman

You've had your answer.

Then money velocity can't increase GDP.

Ah yes, the money printing argument, somehow you can't produce more goods without some guy printing more dollars

Gdp is not wealth, money velocity can increase gdp, but it doesn't increase net wealth. But back to the question, is the hammer thing just asset sales?

**bogan** · 26th March 2014, 17:42

Originally Posted by mashman

What are you all so afraid of? You lament the fall of NZ past yet refuse to do anything to help when it comes to lifting it. You bitch about how much you have to pay, ironic given that you're relying on the economy to do the job for you. The very same economy that has allowed NZ to fall. You speak of logic and reason, yet blame others and claim that you are entitled to X because the "free" market says that's the way things should be. You whine when equity is mentioned and yet you miss that equity means that those who need will get. You prefer the few to succeed who you claim deserve it and then you watch the tax take (important for education and hospitals n shit) decline and yet you laud tax breaks and the borrowing that the govt has undertaken to make up the shortfall. Then you laud efficiency and cheap labor because you believe that doing the hard yards is some form of right of passage. You're not an NZer, you're a parasite.

I thought you said you didn't get worked up by this stuff? I'm third generation kiwi btw, how long has your family been here?

**bogan** · 26th March 2014, 18:02

Originally Posted by Ocean1

http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-ge...e-unhappy.html

GenY: check
Wildly ambitious: check
Unhappy: nope, well, 2/3 ain't bad; I'm good with that

Paul Harvey, a University of New Hampshire professor and GYPSY expert, has researched this, finding that Gen Y has ”unrealistic expectations and a strong resistance toward accepting negative feedback,” and “an inflated view of oneself.” He says that “a great source of frustration for people with a strong sense of entitlement is unmet expectations. They often feel entitled to a level of respect and rewards that aren’t in line with their actual ability and effort levels, and so they might not get the level of respect and rewards they are expecting.”

Sounds uncannily like mashman doesn't it

For those hiring members of Gen Y, Harvey suggests asking the interview question, “Do you feel you are generally superior to your coworkers/classmates/etc., and if so, why?” He says that “if the candidate answers yes to the first part but struggles with the ‘why,’ there may be an entitlement issue. This is because entitlement perceptions are often based on an unfounded sense of superiority and deservingness. They’ve been led to believe, perhaps through overzealous self-esteem building exercises in their youth, that they are somehow special but often lack any real justification for this belief.”

That one I'll have to use...

**mashman** · 26th March 2014, 18:25

Originally Posted by bogan

Ah yes, the money printing argument, somehow you can't produce more goods without some guy printing more dollars

Gdp is not wealth, money velocity can increase gdp, but it doesn't increase net wealth. But back to the question, is the hammer thing just asset sales?

No, the money laundering

... I'll leave it there as you're letting me get in the way of you thinking.

Originally Posted by bogan

I thought you said you didn't get worked up by this stuff? I'm third generation kiwi btw, how long has your family been here?

I'm not. It's simple truth. My family has been here since day 1.

Originally Posted by bogan

Sounds uncannily like mashman doesn't it

What expectations do I have? That everyone can be more than well looked after under a different system? Then yes.

@overinflated view of myself. Dammit, I thought it was well hidden as well.

**bogan** · 26th March 2014, 18:31

Originally Posted by mashman

No, the money laundering

... I'll leave it there as you're letting me get in the way of you thinking.

I'm not. It's simple truth. My family has been here since day 1.

Yeh, somehow any increase in production of goods/services has to be money laundering cos mashy tells me prining money is money laundering, and they must have to print money to make more stuff, somehow

I won't, expect rather succinct follow ups every time you try and soapbomb threads with this drivel; million dollar hammers indeed

A tanty is what that was; fucking good luck finding support with those sort of outbursts. Day one eh? what tribe?

**jonbuoy** · 26th March 2014, 18:46

Originally Posted by mashman

No, the money laundering

... I'll leave it there as you're letting me get in the way of you thinking.

I'm not. It's simple truth. My family has been here since day 1.

What expectations do I have? That everyone can be more than well looked after under a different system? Then yes.

@overinflated view of myself. Dammit, I thought it was well hidden as well.

Mashman your the last person who should be bitching about NZ benefits and education policies - they have kindly let you in from your native country. Your allowed to put your hand in the pot and claim NZ benefits and take advantage of free schooling for your children. You have been able to cut down your hours of work to spend more time with your kids - or is it more time on the Kiwibiker soap box preaching politics on a biker forum?

**mashman** · 26th March 2014, 19:16

Originally Posted by bogan

Artichoke

A tanty is what that was; fucking good luck finding support with those sort of outbursts. Day one eh? what tribe?

You carry on telling yourself that you know better than me the mood under which a post was posted...it seems to be your forte. Human.

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Mashman your the last person who should be bitching about NZ benefits and education policies - they have kindly let you in from your native country. Your allowed to put your hand in the pot and claim NZ benefits and take advantage of free schooling for your children. You have been able to cut down your hours of work to spend more time with your kids - or is it more time on the Kiwibiker soap box preaching politics on a biker forum?

I should be so grateful that I have been allowed to live in a country other than that of my birth eh. If the move had have been for living conditions and financial reasons I would have stayed in Scotland. Turns out the same shit is happening irrespective of where one goes. I have decided to notice for a change and take issue with the way things are being run. NZ is not special, it's just another piece of land with people on it on the same spinning rock. Tis childish that we are bordered by rules. lol@shocking cheap dig... I get a few minutes to post on occasion, so do so. No preaching, just offering an alternative viewpoint for people to consider should they wish to do so.

**bogan** · 26th March 2014, 19:22

Originally Posted by mashman

You carry on telling yourself that you know better than me the mood under which a post was posted...it seems to be your forte. Human.

Well, since you seem either reluctant or unable to explain yourself, one must draw conclusions from the information at hand. Seems you've less experience at being a kiwi than me and mine though, I find one of the core kiwi values is not being afraid of a bit of hard work. Bludging, well that is a far later addition and while widespread, it fails the litmus test of kiwi values in that wal footrot and fred dagg wouldn't be having a bar of it

**jonbuoy** · 26th March 2014, 19:24

Originally Posted by mashman

You carry on telling yourself that you know better than me the mood under which a post was posted...it seems to be your forte. Human.

I should be so grateful that I have been allowed to live in a country other than that of my birth eh. If the move had have been for living conditions and financial reasons I would have stayed in Scotland. Turns out the same shit is happening irrespective of where one goes. I have decided to notice for a change and take issue with the way things are being run. NZ is not special, it's just another piece of land with people on it on the same spinning rock. Tis childish that we are bordered by rules. lol@shocking cheap dig... I get a few minutes to post on occasion, so do so. No preaching, just offering an alternative viewpoint for people to consider should they wish to do so.

Yes you should be grateful - not everyone is given the opportunity to move to a safe first world country with free benefits healthcare and education.

**Ocean1** · 26th March 2014, 19:40

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

free benefits healthcare and education.

TANSTAFL.

Except for mushmate, who is convinced every lunch should be free.

**jonbuoy** · 26th March 2014, 20:36

Originally Posted by Ocean1

TANSTAFL.

Except for mushmate, who is convinced every lunch should be free.

Sorry yes - not free but social healthcare/benefits/education system subsidised and supported by hard working people who put in more or an equal amount to what they take out.

**mashman** · 26th March 2014, 21:44

Originally Posted by bogan

Well, since you seem either reluctant or unable to explain yourself, one must draw conclusions from the information at hand. Seems you've less experience at being a kiwi than me and mine though, I find one of the core kiwi values is not being afraid of a bit of hard work. Bludging, well that is a far later addition and while widespread, it fails the litmus test of kiwi values in that wal footrot and fred dagg wouldn't be having a bar of it

You're no different to anyone in the UK in regards to ratio of lazy and/or not so. Amusing that you think such a characteristic is intrinsically kiwi. My little tanty, as you call it, could quite easily have been directed at absolutely any nation. That may surprise you.

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Yes you should be grateful - not everyone is given the opportunity to move to a safe first world country with free benefits healthcare and education.

I could get more free in the UK than I can here yet you don't see me running back there. Does that make it a first+ world country? I am grateful for a great many things, but being "allowed" in to any given country, anyone can do it if they have the qualifications and/or money to get through the visa process. What's so special about that? That I can afford it? That says more about the state of the rest of the world than it does about my earthly movements (I do love a good earthly movement). I would like to see every country as a first world country. The only reason that cannot currently be achieved is money. That's a fact.