A sobering read

[FJRider]

I'm not really a safe driver or rider since I lack experience and sufficient training. In fact, I need all the help I can get to improve my skills.

With such an admission ... exceeding posted speed limits and driving under the influence may not be a great idea.

Experience is gained (usually) just after you need it ...

[Ocean1]

Should anybody come across such a law ... and make that choice. Any law enforcer may (or may not) use their discretion and not charge the offender.
If not ... the Judge may (or may not) use HIS discretion ...

Those that choose to disregard legislation better hope they get it right (or don't get caught)

There are circumstances where every law is safer ignored.

And frankly even if the law enforcer and judge were there at the time I chose to ignore one it wouldn't affect that decision in the slightest.

My life; my choice.

[SMOKEU]

With such an admission ... exceeding posted speed limits and driving under the influence may not be a great idea.

Experience is gained (usually) just after you need it ...

I factor in my lack of experience and skill when riding, and therefore ride accordingly to my skill level rather than trying to be a hero by impressing others. I don't pretend to be fast, because any reasonably skilled rider can tell I'm a n00b by the way I ride, so I'll just be embarassing and endangering myself in a lame effort to appear "fast".

If I know I'm going to be consuming alcohol, then I choose to either get a ride with a sober driver, or ride a push bike.

[FJRider]

Some laws are just stupid and don't serve to protect anyone, except for the politicians and bureaucrats who demonise whatever they don't like or understand, so therefore I don't feel like I should comply with certain laws. The best example of this is how cannabis is illegal, yet alcohol is legal. It's not really any different from telling learner riders that they're not allowed to ride a CBR125, but they are allowed to ride a GSXR1000 "just because the government says so".

Last time I looked ... learners are NOT allowed to legally ride a GSXR1000 ... which makes that claim a little stupid. Grasping at straws and failing ...

[SMOKEU]

Last time I looked ... learners are NOT allowed to legally ride a GSXR1000 ... which makes that claim a little stupid. Grasping at straws and failing ...

No shit, dumbass. Read my fucking posts properly before making stupid comments and twisting whatever I say to suit your childish agenda. The only one here failing is you.

[FJRider]

Cops use that same word for bikers...

If law is your only benchmark, different laws, different issues. If safety is simply a binary one, why do you ride?

I ride how and when I like. If I choose to disregard any legislation ... I don't whinge about it if I get caught. I don't see it as a "Corrupt" system ... but those that continually add to treasury ... might think differently. It just amuses me the excuses that appear to justify their actions ...

And I hope they continue to add to treasury ... otherwise the TAX rate may increase ... THEN the whinging will REALLY start ..

[bogan]

I ride how and when I like. If I choose to disregard any legislation ... I don't whinge about it if I get caught. I don't see it as a "Corrupt" system ... but those that continually add to treasury ... might think differently. It just amuses me the excuses that appear to justify their actions ...

And I hope they continue to add to treasury ... otherwise the TAX rate may increase ... THEN the whinging will REALLY start ..

Exactly, you can choose to disregard some and not others cos they are different issues...

Whinging about others treating them as different issues seems rather hypocritical in light of this wouldn't you think?

[FJRider]

Exactly, you can choose to disregard some and not others cos they are different issues...

Whinging about others treating them as different issues seems rather hypocritical in light of this wouldn't you think?

I can and do ... but make no claims I am being in the right (or do it as of right) to do so. Nor do I challenge the Majority elected governments decisions on what IS legally required by way of legislation ... on our roads. Or question if that legislation is actually legal.

No traffic infringement tickets in the last six years (from memory) means I am lucky ... that .. with no prangs might suggest safe too ...

People die on the roads of NZ ... some ... riding motorcycles ... but none of those people are dead because somebody made a right decision ... and its poor decisions that kill people. That single issue covers/involves all legislation.

And how many of those dead ARE dead because somebody chose to ignore legislation .. ??? All/some/none .. ???

oh right ... "accidents happen" .. right .. ??

ALL facets of legislation is there in an attempt to keep people on the roads safer. Too strict and they lose votes. Too soft and the same result.

Some I don't agree with ... some I don't like. But I will be unable to change it. (many have tried)

Such is life.

[FJRider]

No shit, dumbass. Read my fucking posts properly before making stupid comments and twisting whatever I say to suit your childish agenda. The only one here failing is you.

Your words I quoted ... as you wrote them ... nothing twisted/changed. Is English your second language .. ??? Do you need lessons there too .. ???

Swearing and personal abuse is a sure sign you've lost any rational argument (a little childish too). SO ...That's a FAIL ... better luck on the honda forums ...

[bogan]

People die on the roads of NZ ... some ... riding motorcycles ... but none of those people are dead because somebody made a right decision ... and its poor decisions that kill people. That single issue covers/involves all legislation.

And how many of those dead ARE dead because somebody chose to ignore legislation .. ??? All/some/none .. ??? .

Exactly, you're on a roll now, it's bad decisions which kill, sometimes the bad decision is to ignore road conditions, sometimes it is to ignore road conditions and legislation. The legislation is just a guide, not an absolute safe/not criteria. The difference between the drink driving and speeding issues is simply that drink driving impairs your ability to make sound decisions across the whole journey. Speeding is a case by case decision which takes into account the road conditions at that point and time.

[Mushu]

Your words I quoted ... as you wrote them ... nothing twisted/changed. Is English your second language .. ??? Do you need lessons there too .. ???

Swearing and personal abuse is a sure sign you've lost any rational argument (a little childish too). SO ...That's a FAIL ... better luck on the honda forums ...

You missed the point, he was saying cannabis laws are stupid when compared to alcohol, basically like banning something relatively safe and allowing something dangerous, he put it in terms of a what if scenario and related it to bikes. Pretty sure smoke rides a Suzuki.

Exactly, you're on a roll now, it's bad decisions which kill, sometimes the bad decision is to ignore road conditions, sometimes it is to ignore road conditions and legislation. The legislation is just a guide, not an absolute safe/not criteria. The difference between the drink driving and speeding issues is simply that drink driving impairs your ability to make sound decisions across the whole journey. Speeding is a case by case decision which takes into account the road conditions at that point and time.

That's a good way to put it. I totally agree.

[ellipsis]

...stupidity, slow wittedness, inflated egos, dyslexia, ignorance, a lack of basic understanding, addictions, cannot be legislated against...sorry, but it's a sad fact of life that the rules and the nuances of are interpreted in a rather fucked up and totally personalised neuro processor, and they cant be legislated against either...you cant have your cake and eat it too...if they pass the test, they are on the road...gotta wake up every day knowing that the ladder may collapse, the earth may open or that the inexperienced sober euro Maui Camper has your number or that 'you' may just over extend your, invitation. There is no wish by the lawmakers to stop this stupidity, only a whitewashed, hoisted upon the public panaceac, that is legislation. 8% RTD's were banned I thought...they are back as 7%...the polis are between a rock and a hard place...lots of money in piss, ay...(eh, aye)

[TheDemonLord]

Just for reference - Speeding has never killed anyone

Sudden Deceleration exceeding 25g for extended periods of time however is Fatal

BAN SUDDEN DECELERATION!!!!!

[bogan]

Just for reference - Speeding has never killed anyone

Sudden Deceleration exceeding 25g for extended periods of time however is Fatal

BAN SUDDEN DECELERATION!!!!!

Or, mandatorialise inertial dampness!

[Ocean1]

Or, mandatorialise inertial dampness!

A policy I've spent a large part of my life selling to the fairer aspect of our population.

The success of which seems to be inversely proportionate to the quantity of internal dampness I've most recently been indulging in.




Remind me to share my recipe for Limoncello powered Margaritas.