A new mid-capacity class?

[Edbear]

I think calling the it 600 Restricted would be explanation enough

I raced 15 club road racing events last year

No I wouldnt Budda cause I have big balls unlike all the other whimps hahahaaha Seriously though, I was racing 80cc bikes at 8, 125cc bikes at 12 and 250cc (2 Stroke) at 18. I raced 600s for 6 months then I went to Superbike. People are too scared to put their 16 year old kids on 600s (as would I) so this would provide that step then they can step up to the class they actually want to ride for FREE.

Building a pro twin or superlite then selling that and starting all over again is hard work plus the rider has to get used to a totally new bike. Getting on a 70/80hp 600 and then just giving it another 40hp when the kid is good to go seem like a good idea.

Never ceases to amaze me how people can so quickly complicate a simple idea! The attraction of using the 600's is that as a "development class", the riders get used to the handling and set-up of the class of bike they want to ride - Supersports. Some here have made it sound like a stepping down, rather than a stepping up from the 250's.

[CHOPPA]

In oz we are using 1 set of tyres for 3 races on superbikes. The guys doing 2 classes run them for 6 races and are still fast

[budda]

Never ceases to amaze me how people can so quickly complicate a simple idea! The attraction of using the 600's is that as a "development class", the riders get used to the handling and set-up of the class of bike they want to ride - Supersports. Some here have made it sound like a stepping down, rather than a stepping up from the 250's.

Still never had it explained to me why some on here, many of whom have never raced, persist with this fallacy that there is a career path that must be followed to "progress" ...........

........ BOVINE EXCREMENT !!!!!!!!!! IF you have genuine aspirations to get to the lofty heights of the Sport, by all means go the 1+1=2 route. But if, like most, you are riding for the sheer exhilaration of it, who are all these knob-jockies to tell you what class you must ride in, and that you MUST "progress"

Most guys in new Zealand fall into the latter group, some because they're getting all they want out of the Class they're IN, others because their wallet is the determining factor. There IS no compulsion to "move up", it simply doesn't work

[budda]

Never ceases to amaze me how people can so quickly complicate a simple idea! The attraction of using the 600's is that as a "development class", the riders get used to the handling and set-up of the class of bike they want to ride - Supersports. Some here have made it sound like a stepping down, rather than a stepping up from the 250's.

So you want Little Johnnie to be able to race for a Championship while he is developing the skills to race with the big boys - God help us, mini-motocross has arrived on tarseal .........

And who says a Class where the bikes are mechanically restricted to a fraction of their potential is a step UP from a Class where the only restriction is the testicular capacity of the pilot ( sadly, with one or two obvious exceptions )

Current 600's are like a Jap Import car - the jockey runs out of ability long before the mechanics - 2fiddy's are like the 105E's of the bike world - run out of handling and go long before the good guys run out of brave - but they sort of the men from the boys

[RobGassit]

You can dream up as many different classes as you like, but the classes that survive, if not flourish, during these difficult financial times, are the ones supported by riders who pay their own way each meeting. Maybe Superbike and Supersport should get their own classes sorted, before thowing rocks at the classes that race while they change tyres and take selfies for facebook. NZ is ripe for a stand alone series like FX that gives real racers a break from the prima ballerinas.

p.s Went to a VMX on the weekend, big crowd, free entry for spectators, good entries for many different classes, no licences reqd, no club memberships,,no assholes with big heads...

[Edbear]

So you want Little Johnnie to be able to race for a Championship while he is developing the skills to race with the big boys - God help us, mini-motocross has arrived on tarseal .........

And who says a Class where the bikes are mechanically restricted to a fraction of their potential is a step UP from a Class where the only restriction is the testicular capacity of the pilot ( sadly, with one or two obvious exceptions )

Current 600's are like a Jap Import car - the jockey runs out of ability long before the mechanics - 2fiddy's are like the 105E's of the bike world - run out of handling and go long before the good guys run out of brave - but they sort of the men from the boys

Please re-read Choppa's OP...

[Shaun Harris]

Haha well it stayed on the focused subject for 1hr an 31 minutes, not bad for KB

[scott411]

Still never had it explained to me why some on here, many of whom have never raced, persist with this fallacy that there is a career path that must be followed to "progress" ...........

........ BOVINE EXCREMENT !!!!!!!!!! IF you have genuine aspirations to get to the lofty heights of the Sport, by all means go the 1+1=2 route. But if, like most, you are riding for the sheer exhilaration of it, who are all these knob-jockies to tell you what class you must ride in, and that you MUST "progress"

Most guys in new Zealand fall into the latter group, some because they're getting all they want out of the Class they're IN, others because their wallet is the determining factor. There IS no compulsion to "move up", it simply doesn't work

I agree with this, if buying a F3 bike or a pro twin is a problem money wise, then how on earth will they afford the tyre bill in a few seasons to be up the front of the 600 class anyway,

[scott411]

In oz we are using 1 set of tyres for 3 races on superbikes. The guys doing 2 classes run them for 6 races and are still fast

do you think the same rule should be brought in here for the superbikes and supersport?

[wayne]

In oz we are using 1 set of tyres for 3 races on superbikes. The guys doing 2 classes run them for 6 races and are still fast

yes but how many laps and lenght of a lap ?

you willing to do race races at nationls in nz, on one set of tyres ?

[Robert Taylor]

do you think the same rule should be brought in here for the superbikes and supersport?

If you want to see more crashing and expenditure that way, yes. The field sizes in the two premier classes would suggest that people accept the expenditure and not too much dumbing down is required.

[Robert Taylor]

i agree totally, tyre management is a big part of a lot of motorsport, watching the v8's yesterday and their was a 4-6 sec a lap difference on worn tyres,

Yes but there is less chance of injury when there is no balance required to keep cars upright

[Robert Taylor]

In 2000?, we were running a pace that would have had us inside the top 10-12? last weekend, and we used 1 front and 2 rears in 6 HOURS at that pace, ON STANDARD SUSPENSION.

SURELY, with all the advancements in standard suspension and tyre technology, modern fast guys can get an hour and a half out of a set ? That's a full weekends racing ( practice not included )

Did I hear that right? Advancements in standard suspension? Since when ( for example ) were BPF forks an advancement, other than being a lot cheaper to make?

The marketing guys have a habit of making pigshit sound like strawberry jam and the sad thing is many people believe it.

[Drew]

Why would this class be an improvement over a 600 running on three slugs in F3?

Ya know the valves can be put back in, and the bike becomes a supersport bike again eh?

[CHOPPA]

do you think the same rule should be brought in here for the superbikes and supersport?

Yup, I suggested we have limited tyres. I enjoy managing worn tyres. I was voted against by majority of other riders

You can dream up as many different classes as you like, but the classes that survive, if not flourish, during these difficult financial times, are the ones supported by riders who pay their own way each meeting. Maybe Superbike and Supersport should get their own classes sorted, before thowing rocks at the classes that race while they change tyres and take selfies for facebook. NZ is ripe for a stand alone series like FX that gives real racers a break from the prima ballerinas.

p.s Went to a VMX on the weekend, big crowd, free entry for spectators, good entries for many different classes, no licences reqd, no club memberships,,no assholes with big heads...

You seem to have a complex

Why would this class be an improvement over a 600 running on three slugs in F3?

Ya know the valves can be put back in, and the bike becomes a supersport bike again eh?

Same end result but putting the restrictor plates in would take about 30 mins and could be done by anyone that knows how to change a tyre. How long does it take to turn the engine to a 450 and back? How much does it cost?