A new mid-capacity class?

[Drew]

Do you think these guys Aaron,Simon,Stroudy,Chris Haldane,Eddie Kattenberg would have had the same success in todays market?

Crafar, yes.

[scott411]

Do you think these guys Aaron,Simon,Stroudy,Chris Haldane,Eddie Kattenberg would have had the same success in todays market?

Simon and Aaron won in australia pretty quickly, its that step that the ones after could not do, I think if you can win in australia and get some funding together then it may be possible,

the rides in asia are not there like they were in the early 90's,

[budda]

Do you think these guys Aaron,Simon,Stroudy,Chris Haldane,Eddie Kattenberg would have had the same success in todays market?

YUP - and not just them. And is that a telling comment, "todays market"

[Shaun Harris]

Do you think these guys Aaron,Simon,Stroudy,Chris Haldane,Eddie Kattenberg would have had the same success in todays market?

YES, if you are born a fighter you stay a fighter.






Todays market really has jack shit to do with it Sloan, the real problem lies in the mentallity of young folk these days. As you have said your self, the sponsor ship is still out there if you get off ya arse and think outside the square.






There is a shit load ( TO MANY CLASSES ACTUALLY) for young new riders already out there Buddy, lets PUSH PUSH PUSH for the 250 Production class to grow more with the very young.

Pro twins for the wealthier more ballsy younger riders, it give the HP experience ( Kinda) or/ and then superlight for the trick modified old bikes with full suspension or take the plunge and get on a 600 with full suspension.

Bloody good on ya for thinking for others though dude and putting your idea;s out there

[Robert Taylor]

You mean that exciting Nationals Class called SuperLite ?

Yes and it seriously needs renaming, maybe back to what it was. How many times has confusion occured when bikes have been called to the grid over the PA? Was that Superbike or Superlite they called?

[Robert Taylor]

Hahahahaha,Haven't stopped laughing for a coupla days now.

Heres some truth for the "Whales and Dolphin" types amongst us,Back when the country WAS producing riders with what it took to run with the best in the world,The classes were,125GP,250 Production,F3, 600 production,F2,Senior production and F1,ALL those classes are currently available today in 1 form or another.

The reality is,When guys like yourself and Aaron,Simon,Stroudy,Chris Haldane,Eddie Kattenberg etc decided to have a go,You guys just packed up,Bit the bullet and went for it for which I for one have mucho respect,The sad fact with todays youth,Is they want it all laid out for them or theyre just not interested,Introducing more classes whatever they may be,Will not fix that,You can keep making classes until theres enough that everybody can win one and it won't change naff all.

The one thing I have learnt in all the years I have been involved is,The more talk there is of canning classes for whatever reason,The less likelyhood they will grow due to lack of confidence.

Helen Clark caused a lot of this, shame on all those who voted for that nasty piece of pacifist socialist butch lesbian bitch

[CHOPPA]

YUP - and not just them. And is that a telling comment, "todays market"

Certainly todays market plays a big part. I think it would be irresponsible to convince a young guy that he should chase the dream of being a professional rider. The tides have changed and instead of "professional" riders negotiating how much they get paid they are negotiating how much they have to pay... I think in todays market a young guy should get education or do a trade and in there spare time put all their time into racing/riding/training first and foremost for enjoyment and then just grab every opportunity they can from there.

The cost of the bikes also contribute to "todays market". We used to be able to build a competitive WSBK in a garage in NZ but now you need a software company and computer engineers to go with it.

I see guys like Glen Allerton that have been at the front of ASBK for quite some time and he cant get a WSBK ride but a few OZZYS have been able to cut it recently.

I think it would be much harder for those guys to replicate their success in todays market. Not due to their ability but due to simple economics and logistics.

Another factor is age, unless your 18 and already winning GP races your path to MotoGP is highly unlikely.

How old were Simon and Aaron when they started smashing it on the international scene?

[Robert Taylor]

Well I have to admit I was wrong about the F3 class, its obviously doing quite well and there certainly a lot of bikes that are eligible new and old.

I guess it all comes back to the point where you cant just keep trying to fit classes in to fit people really people just have to fit to what classes we have.

The restricted idea came from a safety perspective in that people who wanted to ride 600 straight from the 250s would have a stepping stone but after this discussion I think that if your a rider of very high caliber on a 250 then there is no reason why you cant just go to a normal 600 and if you are not quite at that caliber then the pro twins and f3 classes offer that next step

You can rule Pro Twins out of that Chop because you learn pretty much bugger all about front forks due to the restrictions inherent in that class. With all due respect to those competing in that class they are racing bikes that were intended as no more than pleasant commuter bikes and the chassis geometry of most of the bikes in that class confirms same. An inbetween class should also be focused more heavily on learning full chassis set up skills ( with suitable chassis ) otherwise its like being a fish out of water when you go to 600s

That is the very point a lot of people are missing and your ideas have a lot of merit.

[Shaun Harris]

You can rule Pro Twins out of that Chop because you learn pretty much bugger all about front forks due to the restrictions inherent in that class. With all due respect to those competing in that class they are racing bikes that were intended as no more than pleasant commuter bikes and the chassis geometry of most of the bikes in that class confirms same. An inbetween class should also be focused more heavily on learning full chassis set up skills ( with suitable chassis ) otherwise its like being a fish out of water when you go to 600s

That is the very point a lot of people are missing and your ideas have a lot of merit.

But it does teach them the rules and race craft, so is a bloody good starting class in my opinion and is cheap with out having to spend say $5000-00 on god dam suspenion Robert, then when they want it changed they cannot get it changed as the disributor is CONTRACTED to a sellect few only

[CHOPPA]

You can rule Pro Twins out of that Chop because you learn pretty much bugger all about front forks due to the restrictions inherent in that class. With all due respect to those competing in that class they are racing bikes that were intended as no more than pleasant commuter bikes and the chassis geometry of most of the bikes in that class confirms same. An inbetween class should also be focused more heavily on learning full chassis set up skills ( with suitable chassis ) otherwise its like being a fish out of water when you go to 600s

That is the very point a lot of people are missing and your ideas have a lot of merit.

Yeah you are certainly on the same wave length but I get everyones point that are up in arms. Most people are just racing the Pro Twin class because thats the classes that they want to race due to ability or budget or passion for the bikes or whatever and like they say those reasons are no less important than the reasons I would suggest a different direction.

Any riding has gotta be good, even motorcross practice improves my road racing.

Supermoto has produced some pretty decent road racers lately! I think im gonna have a play this year

[Billy]

Anyway Billy, I read on facebook this week that they have found the next Kevin Schwantz, so I guess he will be skipping F3, ProTwin,125 GP, and any other shit us retards run downunder and heading directly overseas to MotoGp.

Yip.....Saw that,Sooooo does that make Lachlan Epis the next Marc Marquez ????? Cause he certainly had Kevs measure .....until the mysterious machine swap for the last race and hey presto!!!
I was real keen to impound that machine but the steward wouldn't,Can't think why.

[jellywrestler]

Wanganui and tri sereis classes are

F1
F2
F3/Superlight
Post Classic,
Classic
Super Motard
Bears
and sidecar,

really the only two that sound and look are the F1 and F2, so maybe its time you head back again,

yeah but a lot of people go there to watch their favourite class too.

[wayne]

well said billy,
swap bikes in that class ..............if they all the same,
how come riders say (after winning ) this bikes way faster than mine, i ride his bike and i get lap record

[jellywrestler]

Yes and it seriously needs renaming, maybe back to what it was. How many times has confusion occured when bikes have been called to the grid over the PA? Was that Superbike or Superlite they called?

so get ohlins to build hearing aid, then it would be sorted.

[mr bucketracer]

we should start with a 1000 with restricters to 25 hp for bucket racing then 40 for 125 racing and so on ..one bike does all i am so on to it lol