Building a 250cc training and Minigp race track

[Shaun Harris]

My Brief on this venture after laying the ground work to him via a very good friend of his ( From a Huge USA name) is to create some where that we can safely train youth for the future! we are looking to involve dirt flat track riding into this school as well as safe secure quality living accomadation as well as Home schooling facillities for these youth.

If ya do not try you do not get, the spin off for Kiwi Youth is huge with this.


My pother thread re MODERN NAMED Kiwi racers is a part of this programme

Mimigp bikes and 250 prod bikes will be the main aim of the school

[sil3nt]

A group of people in NY built a training facility. Although it quickly turned into a race track and that pissed the neighbours off http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...gal-challenge/

[Shaun Harris]

A group of people in NY built a training facility. Although it quickly turned into a race track and that pissed the neighbours off http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...gal-challenge/

yep that has turned into a major screw up

[Dave-]

Where do you build it though?

As soon as you get out of earshot of civilisation you run the risk of upsetting somebodies tranquillity or pissing off the greens over some stupid rare tree mollusc.

[quickbuck]

Where do you build it though?



As soon as you get out of earshot of civilisation you run the risk of upsetting somebodies tranquillity or pissing off the greens over some stupid rare tree mollusc.

Right smack bang in the middle of the area of Christchurch that nobody wants to build in anymore.....
A bunch of 250's going round and round will be nothing compared to the traffic noise that used to be in that place.....





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[Shaun Harris]

Where do you build it though?

As soon as you get out of earshot of civilisation you run the risk of upsetting somebodies tranquillity or pissing off the greens over some stupid rare tree mollusc.

Ruapuna already exists with the B course, so need what so ever to build anything track related now. Just now to negotiate with the track direct re fees and time availlable to do this. And no one in there write mind would build a new track on the proven swamp land down town ch ch is! They would have to be crazier than me hahaha

[Dave-]

Right smack bang in the middle of the area of Christchurch that nobody wants to build in anymore.....
A bunch of 250's going round and round will be nothing compared to the traffic noise that used to be in that place.....

Yes, this is true. Though I can't see it happening.

Ruapuna already exists with the B course, so need what so ever to build anything track related now. Just now to negotiate with the track direct re fees and time availlable to do this. And no one in there write mind would build a new track on the proven swamp land down town ch ch is! They would have to be crazier than me hahaha

Ah, so you're no longer planning on building a new facility. Ruapuna B track is the best solution.

[Shaun Harris]

Yes, this is true. Though I can't see it happening.



Ah, so you're no longer planning on building a new facility. Ruapuna B track is the best solution.

was not aware of the options with Ruapuna mate before starting this thread. So NO re building one from scratch now.

[schrodingers cat]

...something similar to the B-Track at Ruapuna...

B track still has the 2nd fastest straight of the track, the single fastest corner and hardest braking zone directly afterwards.
The link from the carousel to the first corner has a strange crest and since it is seldom used it is very dusty and low grip.

A track with the dipper would be a safer section

You can still use Timaru in its original (pre 88?) configuration also

So there you have effectively 3 little tracks within a couple of hours of each other and all with the appropriate licenses/insurances etc etc

[quallman1234]

Bucket Racing on kart tracks in NZ is still alive. Well in the NI anyway. It is good training. We even have awesome elevation change at our one in Wellington.

[richban]

Bucket Racing on kart tracks in NZ is still alive. Well in the NI anyway. It is good training. We even have awesome elevation change at our one in Wellington.

If you want to train young ones. Bring them to Buckets and mentor them there. Plenty of names have come through the ranks and still use it for bike fitness and race craft. It is close fast and really keeps you on your toes. Step from a kart track to a big track and you always wonder why everyone is braking so early. Takes a bit of time to get used to all that open space though. If you want to whip them into shape fast Kart track racing will do it. Then off they go to spend all daddies money on the big tracks.

These guys have a massive spread of classes and disaplins on some cool tracks. I almost moved there so had a good look at these guys. http://www.oregonsuperbikers.com/classes

[Yow Ling]

The biggest problem with Ruapuna is getting a booking especially if you arent MCI, Cams or Bears which are all financial contributers to the track.
B track is only available if the full track is closed, A track or Tri oval can run at the same time as B track. Shrodingers cat wouldnt have a clue about the B track link, its not dusty or anything bad , in fact it is one of the least crashed parts of the track. Full track is available Tuesdays and Fridays price depends on what clubs you belong to.

[Pumba]

So if some land had been made availlable to build a race track that would be designed to train young riders on 250cc production bikes as well as to allow Minigp racing, what land mass does the racing world say would be enough, obviously less is cheaper hence the size. It,s main focus is to give kids a place to learn at that is designed for them mainly. I do not want NO dam streight on this track of real length, anyone can go fast in a streight line.

Ok Shaun, I was involved in the early stages of Colin Dale Park, the "motorsport park" that had been designated by Manaku City Council and the later Auckland Council for noisy unsociable activities. This is where the new Auckland Kart track will be built to replace Mt Wellington and Rosebank Rd.

I was directly part of the consultation with the user groups, and work with the designers in the development of the master plan for the entire site (a 50 hectare piece of land). I then took over the Civil enabling works, primarily the earthworks, roading and stormwater designs for the relevant consents that the council was obtaining prior to handing over the designated areas to each of the user groups.

The Kart club ended up with a 10 hectare site allocation. The wanted 20 hectare to start with. Bear in mind that the goal is to build an international level karting facility. From memory they are going to build a 1200m track with the ability to increase its length to 1600m (or 1800m I cant quite recall). Average track width of 10m. Given that they were buying no land (pepper corn lease to the council) the budget was in the order of $3million.

What material would you reccomend for the surface

You would be stupid to use anything other than Asphaltic Concrete. What mix to use you would need professional advise. Mix 10 is standard for roads, but I know they did use something special at Hampton Downs. No idea what the mix is in Taupo.

What company would you reccomend getting pricing from to prep and seal it

Not enough details to answer the question. But at the very least an invited tender process, at the most public open tender, would be required to get the best price.

There will be a seperate dirt track involved with this.

Oval dirt track? Motocross? Just curious not much to add on this, apart from un-stabilised dirt tracks are starting to run into there own consenting issues due to sediment runnoff. Just something to think about.

Nothing more to add, just help me chase my dreams thanks.

Its a big dream, and there is nothing wrong with that, but the practical engineer realist in me says you better have big pockets or big backers as you will spend (in my opinion) several $100,000 before you even turned dirt.

[Kickaha]

The Kart club ended up with a 10 hectare site allocation. The wanted 20 hectare to start with. Bear in mind that the goal is to build an international level karting facility. From memory they are going to build a 1200m track with the ability to increase its length to 1600m (or 1800m I cant quite recall). Average track width of 10m. Given that they were buying no land (pepper corn lease to the council) the budget was in the order of $3million.

I think 800m is the minimum to run a CIK event so they generally look to make them a minimum of 1 - 1.2 km and I think 1.7km is the maximum and between 7-12m wide

Several years ok we were talking to guy who worked for Fulton Hogan and involved with building Ruapuna, he reckoned close to $1m per kilometre starting from scratch

[jellywrestler]

Several years ok we were talking to guy who worked for Fulton Hogan and involved with building Ruapuna, he reckoned close to $1m per kilometre starting from scratch

what about getting one of those 3D printers, they reckon they can make heaps now so if you buy one, get it to make a 3d printer twice it's size, do this ten times then it'll print a track and we're done. don't forget to put a ban on hot dog stands as they're so last century.