Busybody cops?

[swbarnett]

All they have to prove is you were going over the speed limit.

So someone who's brakes have failed could rightly be given a speeding ticket on a long downhill? Circumstances do matter.

whether or not the drivers knows that, the speedo is correct/incorrect or you were/weren't aware of it is irrelevant.

Yeah, that old chestnut - "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." There is a corollary to that - "be reasonable". That's even been used in court - "what would a reasonable person do?". To my mind a reasonable person cannot be expected to know their speed to more than the accuracy of their speedo. Given that the average speedo is not nearly as accurate as a police speed gun I would posit that a reasonable person cannot be regarded as "speeding" when registered at 4kph over the limit.

[imdying]

So? the point? (in relation to SWB post)

The point is I agree with your post, as far as I can tell from what is legally required for a vehicle in service, those are not facts.

[imdying]

So someone who's brakes have failed could rightly be given a speeding ticket on a long downhill? Circumstances do matter.

It seems likely that, once they have caught you (given that with no brakes you're going to take a while to respond to their flashing lights as you go through the gears whilst using your handbrake), you should easily be able to demonstrate those circumstances, and you're unlikely to get a ticket. Mind you, if the car is a piece of shite, I would expect to pick up a few tickets for that instead.

[BoristheBiter]

So someone who's brakes have failed could rightly be given a speeding ticket on a long downhill? Circumstances do matter.

yep along with, not up to wof standard and a pink sticker.

Yeah, that old chestnut - "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." There is a corollary to that - "be reasonable". That's even been used in court - "what would a reasonable person do?". To my mind a reasonable person cannot be expected to know their speed to more than the accuracy of their speedo. Given that the average speedo is not nearly as accurate as a police speed gun I would posit that a reasonable person cannot be regarded as "speeding" when registered at 4kph over the limit.

Well you go and use that as a defense in court and tell us how you got on.

Most reasonable persons know that most speedo's read under, so will be well aware that they are speeding.

[Swoop]

In the rear-view I could see that he had a VERY interesting front numberplate setup. It was mounted to a hinged flap, and the flap was perfectly visible at 50km's. On the open road it was blown back to about a 70 degree angle. Any speed camera or passing motorist would have zero chance of spotting it. It was such that at first glance I didn't even think he had a plate.

Two key-rings do a superb job. Cheap and effective.

Or so I've been told...

[BoristheBiter]

The point is I agree with your post, as far as I can tell from what is legally required for a vehicle in service, those are not facts.

carry on

[Scuba_Steve]

Most reasonable persons know that most speedo's read under, so will be well aware that they are speeding.

Guess I'm not to reasonable then as like many others I know speedo reads fast

[buggerit]

On the way back from Chch last night I had a truck about 3m off my arse. I was making full and entire use of the national speed limit, so the fact he caught up to me (passing another truck in the process) was a bit unnerving. Pretty heavy duty fucker with a trailer to boot, but not quite B train.

In the rear-view I could see that he had a VERY interesting front numberplate setup. It was mounted to a hinged flap, and the flap was perfectly visible at 50km's. On the open road it was blown back to about a 70 degree angle. Any speed camera or passing motorist would have zero chance of spotting it. It was such that at first glance I didn't even think he had a plate.

When we *555'd them the lady at the call centre seemed entirely blase about the whole thing and simply said they had no-one in the area at the time but they would note it down.

From memory of previous posts you know a fair bit.. what do you reckon - standard fare? simple oversight? or the dodgiest cunt truckie that ever dodged cunts?

So, were you happy to remain his crumple zone or did you let him past?

[awayatc]

They tell you there is no cop in the area.......

problem fuck'n solved isn't it?

[swbarnett]

yep along with, not up to wof standard and a pink sticker.

Pink sticker I agree with but a speeding ticket for that is nothing more than proof of revenue collection.

Well you go and use that as a defense in court and tell us how you got on.

If I ever get a ticket for 4kph over I just might. However, I agree that it probably wouldn't work. The modern justice system is anything but reasonable.

Most reasonable persons know that most speedo's read under, so will be well aware that they are speeding.

Most reasonable persons know shit all about their speedo, under or over.

[Erelyes]

So, were you happy to remain his crumple zone or did you let him past?

Passed another vehicle which in turn became the one sitting in death's shadow. Apparently they were happy enough to let him tailgate them, as I didn't see the truck again until it passed us as we were pulling into a servo down the road.

They tell you there is no cop in the area.......

problem fuck'n solved isn't it?

Maybe. Although the call centre op could have meant to say 'there is noone available in the area at this time'. They like to keep things brief (keeps their call time down). We didn't bother clarifying, evidently they had better shit to do

[BoristheBiter]

Most reasonable persons know shit all about their speedo, under or over.

Then that wouldn't make them reasonable.

[roy.nz]

People will get around that by parking down the road and getting a few gerry can refills.

Thats all good then as there will be less petrol drive offs. Fitting ANPR cameras to gas stations is such a great idea as long as they are programmed only to show vehicles that have been involved in petrol drive offs.

[awayatc]

like speed camera's only operate on dangerous accident prone spots..?

Your arse not sore enough...?

cause you are asking for another reaming.....

[FJRider]

Pink sticker I agree with but a speeding ticket for that is nothing more than proof of revenue collection.

You DON'T have to pay fines for exceeding the posted speed limits .... if you don't exceed posted speed limits.

Simple eh ... !!

If I ever get a ticket for 4kph over I just might. However, I agree that it probably wouldn't work. The modern justice system is anything but reasonable.

It's not unreasonable ... just inconvenient (for some) ... if you (they) get caught ...

Most reasonable persons know shit all about their speedo, under or over.

An accurate speedometer has NEVER been required by New Zealand legislation ... most reasonable know that.

Not knowing ... if the vehicle you are driving/riding HAS an accurate speedometer is a sign of stupidity ... (in my opinion)