No cut in motorcycle ACC levies

[Voltaire]

Question??? If all bike riders paid registration would there be a decrease in levies as the Fund would be more than sufficient?

If so are all these so called rebels costing us people that are registering?

They are just the same ones who moan about everything, KB ( Keyboard Basher) is mostly about wingeing more the motorcycles.

I used to register 3+ bikes all year, now I just do the one I'm using for 3 months. That's what most multiple bike owners are doing.

could swap plates around but I can't really be arsed for a few hundy a year.

[yevjenko]

I don't think there are many " crazy arse cyclists" who don't own a car, and if they don't that's one less vehicle on the road.

True, but that is the exact opposite the bike situation. They could be using the bike while someone else using their car and only one acc 'contribution' is being made

ACC say its a " No Fault" scheme, therefore everyone should pay the same.

Yeah right. Cos we pay the same a car drivers and the same social sports players




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[yevjenko]

i would, however, not register shit...

This would work... I remember one of the poppo on here saying the auto plate system is only keyed for rego on hold or over due rego not cancelled rego


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[yevjenko]

They pay ACC on their car rego.[/cyclist mode]

But not proportional to the claims. And how does that work for one car families?

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[yevjenko]

Question??? If all bike riders paid registration would there be a decrease in levies as the Fund would be more than sufficient?

If so are all these so called rebels costing us people that are registering?

In an ideal world maybe, but as we're not a big enough and consistent enough demographic to swing any votes so why would they risk the income stream

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[yevjenko]

I despair that riders are actually debating this.
they, ( the powers that be) are fucking you up the arse, and yet, you debate it.
Just ride, wether you can afford a paper slip or not.

Fine for you country boys... But when you're dealing with poppo's, unmarked's and over-fucking-zealous traffic wardens who ticket you for four hundy at 8am on a Sunday morning outside your house... fuckers...

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[Ocean1]

Well, the second part of that sentence contradicts the first part...... So, they were quite within their rights not to pay out.

No it doesn't, the car had a warrant but the tyres were just under minimum tread depth at the time of the accident.

As to whether they were within their rights to decline the claim, their assessor claimed the tyre's condition contributed to the accident. I claimed they didn't, because it was bone dry and traction wasn't really an issue in the accident.

I won.

[nerrrd]

User pays....?

I don't get this. I'm paying $500 a year to insure my bike for 10 grand, wouldn't I have to pay that for 20 years to cover the cost of writing it off under user pays? So all the other people paying into the same insurance company are subsidising me if have a crash.

Same with ACC - if a car driver is paying $200 a year in levies, then over 20 years they've only paid $4000. That's a drop in the bucket if they have any kind of serious injury (even a minor one these days), so they're being heavily subsidised by every other car driver as well.

You could never afford to cover your own costs either way.

[Katman]

No it doesn't, the car had a warrant but the tyres were just under minimum tread depth at the time of the accident.

Then it wasn't legally allowed to be operated on the road.

[yevjenko]

I don't get this. I'm paying $500 a year to insure my bike for 10 grand, wouldn't I have to pay that for 20 years to cover the cost of writing it off under user pays? So all the other people paying into the same insurance company are subsidising me if have a crash.

Same with ACC - if a car driver is paying $200 a year in levies, then over 20 years they've only paid $4000. That's a drop in the bucket if they have any kind of serious injury (even a minor one these days), so they're being heavily subsidised by every other car driver as well.

You could never afford to cover your own costs either way.

It doesn't work like that. It's two different operating models - the insurance company is there to make money for their shareholders and acc is there to pay bills. you're also assuming that everyone is expected to have an accident that will cost acc a fortune

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[Akzle]

This would work... I remember one of the poppo on here saying the auto plate system is only keyed for rego on hold or over due rego not cancelled rego


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iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii know. (well, i don't know about NPR, but i do know about driving an unregistered thingamebob.
interestingly, while the cops can't touch it, the council can tow it if you litter public land with it.

to register is to abandon.
if you abandon (title to) "your" vehicle to the state, then they can impose all manner of conditions when they lend it back to you. like how fast you can use it, and where and when. etcetera.

[Berries]

At the moment our levies are subsidising these car drivers.

Classic.

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[Ocean1]

Then it wasn't legally allowed to be operated on the road.

Which is true of most vehicles over 5 years old currently on the road.

It also has nothing to do with the contract with my insurance company.

[Murray]

For car drivers that hit bikers if its their fault and they were fined more there would also be a decrease in levies by your logic too?

Well your logic has me totally confused. This must rate as one of your dumber posts!!

Car drivers being fined more would decrease ACC levies how?? Oh we put the fines into the ACC fund - brilliant!!

I restate my question in BASIC terms so you can understand. If all bike riders currently not paying registration, when they should be, (not bikes on hold etc), were to pay their registration would the ACC fund be increased to a level that there could be a reduction in ACC levies charged?

[yevjenko]

At the moment our levies are subsidising these car drivers.

Errr no. You're just making an assumption. ACC deliberately fudges the figures so you can't see the actual claims of motor cyclists vs the revenue generated.

And for those people saying user pays, how does something like a klr650 without the power to pull the skin off a rice pudding use more acc claim funds than an cbr600rr?

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