Straightening the road

[oneofsix]

IAM (originally started in UK and now exists in a handful or two of countries worldwide) is based off police roadcraft. IAM NZ basically follows the same thing, however, part of advanced roadcraft is also following the law.

So, to answer your original question, straightening the road is legal in the UK, hence part of the system. System is adjusted for variances in law, so ergo, not legal here. Not really a discussion?

Another difference. UK is indicate if someone will benefit and you're actually marked down if you indicate "just because". NZ, you indicate regardless.

well put. However whilst the law is the law it is always up for discussion lol

Is it also true that in the UK you are marked down if you don't use the bus lane when appropriate whereas in NZ you using the bus lane would be unexpected?

[Motu]

I was curious what NZ police would think about the practice.

Something I do often - ticketed once for failure to keep left, also no WoF or rego, so he made me push it home and followed me to make sure I did...I was also speeding, it all made for an expensive ticket. Another time I passed a mufty cop on the inside of a curve (right hander of an S bend) and he didn't pull me up about it....rural road with lots of visability, so I guess he didn't see a problem with it.

[Blackbird]

The IAM training goes up to the point of legality but the message & techniques are the same.
Slight aside. Just read a post on another forum from an IAM member after a group ride. His comment was "most boring day I've ever had on a bike"...
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Link please?

[Berries]

at 2:41 ish into the video the riders straighten the road, ie cross over the centre line to smooth out their route but only when they can see well ahead.

I don't see anything wrong with it but then I am originally from the UK. Used to cut corners all the time when out for a spirited ride - if you could see through it and if you knew it was 'safe' to do so - something along the lines of paying for the whole road so using the whole road. Here, failure to stay in your lane means that even if you have excellent visibility and are no risk to anyone you can get a ticket. That's just the way it is in little old NZ.

[Blackbird]

I don't see anything wrong with it but then I am originally from the UK. Used to cut corners all the time when out for a spirited ride - if you could see through it and if you knew it was 'safe' to do so - something along the lines of paying for the whole road so using the whole road. Here, failure to stay in your lane means that even if you have excellent visibility and are no risk to anyone you can get a ticket. That's just the way it is in little old NZ.

Drivers and riders crossing the centre line in totally inappropriate places is endemic in the area I live (Coromandel Peninsula). Staying in your lane is a good means of staying alive, although I do use Roadcraft extreme positioning for maximum view (and create time) to make good decisions.

[oneofsix]

Drivers and riders crossing the centre line in totally inappropriate places is endemic in the area I live (Coromandel Peninsula). Staying in your lane is a good means of staying alive, although I do use Roadcraft extreme positioning for maximum view (and create time) to make good decisions.

typical kiwi knee jerk reaction, confusing inappropriate actions with similar save ones. Exactly how they convince us all speed is dangerous without differentiating between speed for conditions and tax collecting.

[AllanB]

I can't watch much of that stuff -bores me silly. NZ police actively set up to check and enforce crossing to the opposite side like that. Last xmas the Press published some images in the Lewis Pass (I think) of a target area - some seriously scary shit - large trucks cutting blind corners etc.

And given the recent serious of deaths by tourists being on the wrong side of road it is surprising you have to ask how the police will react. No special treatment should be shown just because you ride a motorcycle.

[Blackbird]

typical kiwi knee jerk reaction, confusing inappropriate actions with similar save ones. Exactly how they convince us all speed is dangerous without differentiating between speed for conditions and tax collecting.

Not confusing things at all (ex-pom BTW). I'm simply giving myself the best chance of surviving in the prevailing conditions. I enjoy pressing on on a bit myself but I'm too bloody old (66) for unnecessary risk. Don't bounce too well these days

[Drew]

Stopped watching after 30 seconds, when they hugged the centre line on a left. To "see further round the bend". Fuck that, prefer to leave myself a bit of a margin should I need it.

[Ulsterkiwi]

And given the recent serious of deaths by tourists being on the wrong side of road it is surprising you have to ask how the police will react. No special treatment should be shown just because you ride a motorcycle.

I wasn't advocating any special treatment. Plus it would not be the first time there is some variation in interpretation of what the police find acceptable or not. Lane splitting anyone?........ The video got me curious, asked a question, appreciate people taking time to answer.

[Gremlin]

Stopped watching after 30 seconds, when they hugged the centre line on a left. To "see further round the bend". Fuck that, prefer to leave myself a bit of a margin should I need it.

Taken slightly out of context. That position is based upon your Safety, Stability and View (or SSV). Namely, if it's not safe or stable to be somewhere, then don't. However, that position will allow you see further through a corner, you will see oncoming drivers sooner and vice versa, plus, you do not maintain that position should there be an oncoming car. You are also able to read the road more easily as you can see more.

Being further to the inside of a corner (lets say it's blind) actually gives you less reaction time and less opportunities for action, ie, you tuck to the inside should it be necessary...

[caseye]

Yeah Na,taken out of context or otherwise, riding the centre line is not good practice and just because they are police pursuit riders ( superbly trained machines , break too) doesn't mean they won't get collected or worse be the perpetrators of an accident. I too stopped watching after not very long.Practicing that sort of riding ( at those sorts of speeds) on an "open" road doesn't seem like good road craft to me.
I readily acknowledge their professionalism and the need to make sure your guys are supremely capable, but making footage like this freely available to joe bloggs ( dickhead ) bike riders I honestly feel is counterproductive.

[ellipsis]

...we have a line in the centre of the road that really should mean something, other than just being a line in the centre of the road...

[The Reibz]

One Road Brother

[Blackbird]

I readily acknowledge their professionalism and the need to make sure your guys are supremely capable, but making footage like this freely available to joe bloggs ( dickhead ) bike riders I honestly feel is counterproductive.

I suppose it's like giving guns, big bikes or grunty cars to people without the necessary skill :-). Maybe it also shows what's possible with the right training