Cunliffe's constituent Liu?

[MisterD]

Does anyone find it interesting that the National party was able to dredge up an 11-year-old letter just after John Key has been called to face his charges...? Tit-for-tat?

It doesn't even require the low intelligence of the average "journalist" to think "hang on, this bloke got his residency when Labour was in office, why don't we do an OIA on correspondence from MP's to immigration."

[gjm]

WTF! I'd been keen to see a link to the survey iffen ye have one?

I had to dig. That's the problem with anecdotal references! But it does exist. However, it's quite old so the relevance may be questionable. Regardless:
"The scope of the public support for guaranteed annual income is not clear.

A 1965 Gallup poll — conducted before the concept had widespread visibility — showed only 19 percent of respondents favoring the proposition that “instead of relief and welfare payments, the government should guarantee every family a minimum annual income.”

The month after President Nixon announced the Family Assistance Plan in September 1969, however, 51 percent of respondents to a Harris poll for Life Magazine favored the proposal for a “federally guaranteed minimum level of income, with a bottom of $3,000 [2013: $18,978] a year for a family of four.”

That same month, Harris also asked specifically about the Nixon Family Assistance Plan (with the $1,600/year floor for a family of four): 79 percent of respondents favored it."

lol... unfortunately too true.

I'll plump for no as an answer to your question... whilst I think globalisation is where we will end up and really need to be in so many ways, I'd say you're bang on in regards to the beneficiaries of such policy.

The question I was asked about bash hats is a fair one, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not going to be something national governmental policy will pay any attention to. If Kite-marked/ANSI-approved helmets were unavailable from overseas, would some sort of manufacturing/production process be created or evolve in NZ? Probably.
This is one example. There will likely be others that will not be so easily resolved.

NZ is selling the most important things people need to live [here] to customers overseas - land, resources, food. The 'clients' will only ever work to drive the price down. Imports, conversely, will always be offered at increasing cost. (This obviously works both ways.)

In 2012, 27 percent of all goods imported were primary products and 72 percent were manufactured goods. Petroleum and products were (as has long been the case) New Zealand's highest-value import, accounting for 18 percent of all goods imported.



If a way to replace (just) petroleum-based imports could be found, imagine the position NZ would be in. I sincerely doubt that anything approaching a comparable quality of life could be retained should imports of many things cease, and consumerism (the best friend of any government) ensures there is a desire (if not a need) for imported products.

But are imports needed at the growing level we currently see? How long before we see a net deficit?

It has long been said that NZ is one of the best places in the world to live. Is it still? Will it be in the future?
It certainly could be. And I hope so.

[Swoop]

If a way to replace (just) petroleum-based imports could be found, imagine the position NZ would be in.

Much like Venezuela, they look after their internal need first, then export any surplus.
In NZ? The Greenatics prevent/hinder exploration in the first place, and big business dealings get overseas countries to take over anything that is discovered.

[oldrider]

It doesn't even require the low intelligence of the average "journalist" to think "hang on, this bloke got his residency when Labour was in office, why don't we do an OIA on correspondence from MP's to immigration."

And why not he is a Dick and has opened himself up to exposure with his holier than thou aproach to the leadership game!

[Robbo]

And why not he is a Dick and has opened himself up to exposure with his holier than thou aproach to the leadership game!

Very interesting and it looks like his fat gay mate might have had a helping hand in setting old Cuntlips up on a road to self distruction.


http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/06/gr...liffes-letter/


Robertstwat is obviously still bitter at missing out on the party leadership to Cuntlips and is out for revenge.

[Ocean1]

The scope of the public support for guaranteed annual income is not clear.

But the arithmetic is perfectly clear. When there's guaranteed minimum productivity then a guaranteed minimum income will be possible.

And not until.

[Akzle]

But the arithmetic is perfectly clear. When there's guaranteed minimum productivity then a guaranteed minimum income will be possible.

And not until.

i think keeping inflation down is fairly productive. Youd certainly piss and moan if/when it happens.

Im off to measure some trees.

[Robbo]

i think keeping inflation down is fairly productive. Youd certainly piss and moan if/when it happens.

Im off to measure some trees.

Geeze, Akzle, Just saw you heading in here with your tape measure.
Those are some trees you have there.

[Robert Taylor]

arguing over politicains and there "allegiances"

...there all the same!

Vote for who ever you want, ultimately...they will ALL screw you over to suit there own means & hidden agenda's


And yet everyday, these "maggots" stand on TV, openly admitting to repeat fraud, repeat theft from the people of NZ, and deception & acts of personal greed of the highest degrees!...and the police do NOTHING!...and you all continue to argue the merrits of the next maggot in line
...and your actually expecting change from your pathetic choice of vote!...well where is the option for a vote of no confidence in the entire system & current parties?...were can I vote for the police to get off there arse's and investigate there blatant white collar crime and theft & sale's of NZ's resources?....where is this "democracy" you speak of again??


The system is broken and riff with corruption and driven by personal greed!....THAT is the only clear thing I see in NZ "politics" that requires a vote for change

....maggots!, the lot of them!!

Agreed but maggots dont have an exclusive on politics.

[Robert Taylor]

I'm concerned that the stupid bitch that fucked us over, for 9 yrs, is attempting to get even more power at the UN.
Hopefully they see sense and kick the dopey bint off to some unheard of shit-hole in deepest Africa that needs a UN representative!





Goodness help us if the Lunatic Fringe greenies get more power to instigate their hair-brained schemes. Stick to composting, recycling and dope policies and they are mainly harmless.

Agreed, everything should be done to stop IT attaining that position

[Robert Taylor]

Depends. Is your helmet made in NZ? did you even buy it from a local shop? Are you happy to do without all of your shit not made in NZ?

Global trade isn't a bad thing. Global terms of trade are what causes global inequity.

100% correct, especially your point about global trade inequity

[mashman]

I had to dig. That's the problem with anecdotal references! But it does exist. However, it's quite old so the relevance may be questionable. Regardless:
"The scope of the public support for guaranteed annual income is not clear.

A 1965 Gallup poll — conducted before the concept had widespread visibility — showed only 19 percent of respondents favoring the proposition that “instead of relief and welfare payments, the government should guarantee every family a minimum annual income.”

The month after President Nixon announced the Family Assistance Plan in September 1969, however, 51 percent of respondents to a Harris poll for Life Magazine favored the proposal for a “federally guaranteed minimum level of income, with a bottom of $3,000 [2013: $18,978] a year for a family of four.”

That same month, Harris also asked specifically about the Nixon Family Assistance Plan (with the $1,600/year floor for a family of four): 79 percent of respondents favored it."

Sounds like a good backup plan should the economy look like it's going tits. Wonder what the threshold is lol.
On a lighter note, if a UBI was going to be put in place (kind of it WFF?), the staunch "you shouldn't get anything for nothing" crowd will not only pitch a fit, but will have nothing to defend their position with anymore. I lol at the prospect

The question I was asked about bash hats is a fair one, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not going to be something national governmental policy will pay any attention to. If Kite-marked/ANSI-approved helmets were unavailable from overseas, would some sort of manufacturing/production process be created or evolve in NZ? Probably.
This is one example. There will likely be others that will not be so easily resolved.

NZ is selling the most important things people need to live [here] to customers overseas - land, resources, food. The 'clients' will only ever work to drive the price down. Imports, conversely, will always be offered at increasing cost. (This obviously works both ways.)

In 2012, 27 percent of all goods imported were primary products and 72 percent were manufactured goods. Petroleum and products were (as has long been the case) New Zealand's highest-value import, accounting for 18 percent of all goods imported.

If a way to replace (just) petroleum-based imports could be found, imagine the position NZ would be in. I sincerely doubt that anything approaching a comparable quality of life could be retained should imports of many things cease, and consumerism (the best friend of any government) ensures there is a desire (if not a need) for imported products.

But are imports needed at the growing level we currently see? How long before we see a net deficit?

It has long been said that NZ is one of the best places in the world to live. Is it still? Will it be in the future?
It certainly could be. And I hope so.

Fur shur... but only because finance is involved

We've all got something and we all need something... not really surprising that we sell stuff. However, ahem, If money were of no import we could mebees pop into a shop, scan your head and have a custom fitted helmet appear an hour or two later. It'd also limit the need to export or import needless crap in plastic boxes to entertain people. Less plastic, more fuel . I don't really class it as working, so much as crawling along whilst we await the next generation of hair products. I wish them all luck with the great balancing act of import export, although no one seems to have had much luck so far, heh.

Peeps love stuff eh... go figure. I guess it depends on what you consider to be quality of life dunnit? Weaning off petroleum based stuff was never really going to be done quickly (potentially 50+ years?) though was it... and it's expensive to develop replacements that have no ROFI. Rock and hard place. Demand but no supply.

Dunno about the levels... all I know is that they're subject to fluctuasians. Up some years, down others balance balance balance. I guess as growth is the mantra then we need to keep on buying, raising prices, tackling the inflation/interest rate quandry, "If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." (Reagan, but probably spoken by Maggie), picking the best leader etc... just to keep the lights on.

Agreed... it is one of the best place in the world to live. No, it won't last without 1 small change, snigger.

[unstuck]

Geeze, Akzle, Just saw you heading in here with your tape measure.
Those are some trees you have there.

Looks like hemp, good for headaches. Giving you a headache that is.

[Akzle]

Looks like hemp, good for headaches. Giving you a headache that is.

also good for rope, biodiesel, tshirts and shoes. Acre for acre 5x more economical than corn or cotton.
Of course, any cannabis strain has similar properties, so may as well get some rongoa as well.

[unstuck]

also good for rope, biodiesel, tshirts and shoes. Acre for acre 5x more economical than corn or cotton.
Of course, any cannabis strain has similar properties, so may as well get some rongoa as well.

Don't forget the tensile strength.