Duck lady kills biker & his daughter?

[veldthui]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...tal-crash.html

A Canadian woman who parked her car on a highway to help a group of ducklings on the side of the road has been found guilty of causing the deaths of a motorcyclist and his passenger daughter who slammed into her car.
Emma Czornobaj was convicted by a jury on Friday on two counts of criminal negligence causing death, a charge that carries a maximum life sentence, and two counts of dangerous driving causing death, which comes with a maximum of 14 years in jail.
The 25 year-old was charged in the deaths of Andre Roy, 50, and his daughter Jessie, 16.

Czornobaj was released until her pre-sentence hearing on August 8.

What would you suggest as a sentence?

Nothing. Cars and trucks break down all the time. If you can't see a stopped vehicle on the road ahead of you and that you are closing at a great rate of knots then you should not be on the road in the first place. If it was on a blind corner then that would be different and she should be charged. Also remember he was speeding and his wife who was doing the speed limit managed to avoid the vehicle.

[MarkH]

Nothing. Cars and trucks break down all the time. If you can't see a stopped vehicle on the road ahead of you and that you are closing at a great rate of knots then you should not be on the road in the first place.

You are woefully mistaken in your assumption that if the rider was to blame that the car driver wasn't.
This is a case where both parties were in the wrong.
This woman has been found guilty by a jury (unanimous verdict) because she broke the law and stopped without sufficient cause where it is prohibited.
Her actions were a contributing factor in the death of 2 people, she is guilty and will be punished.

It seems to me that 3 out of 4 people cannot grasp the concept of more than one party being in the wrong.
Whose fault was it - both of theirs!
For gods sake people, stop acting like it is a binary decision of fault, it is often not as simple as person A at fault OR person B at fault - sometimes both person A and person B make mistakes and each contribute to the circumstances that lead to the accident.

[veldthui]

You are woefully mistaken in your assumption that if the rider was to blame that the car driver wasn't.
This is a case where both parties were in the wrong.
This woman has been found guilty by a jury (unanimous verdict) because she broke the law and stopped without sufficient cause where it is prohibited.
Her actions were a contributing factor in the death of 2 people, she is guilty and will be punished.

It seems to me that 3 out of 4 people cannot grasp the concept of more than one party being in the wrong.
Whose fault was it - both of theirs!
For gods sake people, stop acting like it is a binary decision of fault, it is often not as simple as person A at fault OR person B at fault - sometimes both person A and person B make mistakes and each contribute to the circumstances that lead to the accident.

Right so if her car broke down and stopped there then it would have been the bikers fault because she leggaly stopped in the place. Again when you crash into the arse of someone then it is mostly your fault.

[scracha]

We run a special for feuding KB members. Twice the usual room rate plus a "Mom" talking to thrown in for free

Bikers should have been able to stop, that is the law. Driver should not have stopped.

Both parties at fault. Suspect the biker would have also been charged for speeding and careless driving had he lived. Stopped car in overtaking lane with driver's door left open also at fault. She showed a complete disregard for anyone else's safety. Rider probably didn't realise it was in the passing lane until the last few moments. Suspect the guy's wife or the next following car would have been in the same boat if they'd got to the scene first. By all accounts, Canadians regularly break the speed limit in many provinces.

We'll see what her actual sentence is but hopefully it's a nice balance between 14 years maximum and the slap on the wrist that killers on NZ roads receive.

[awayatc]

Right so if her car broke down and stopped there then it would have been the bikers fault because she leggaly stopped in the place. Again when you crash into the arse of someone then it is mostly your fault.

Maybe go to Canada and explain how wrong they are ?
I am sure they love to hear from you.

also please don't show up for jury duties if your name comes up..

[avgas]

hahahahahahhahahahahahahhaha

What kinda stupid idiot crashes into a parked car?

[BigAl]

hahahahahahhahahahahahahhaha

What kinda stupid idiot crashes into a parked car?

A dead one

[Erelyes]

hahahahahahhahahahahahahhaha

What kinda stupid idiot crashes into a parked car?

Parked? I'd argue that it was stopped, parking implies putting it somewhere any sensible and reasonable person would

[Big Dog]

The vision I get trying to picture the scene is biker comes along the motorway, sees a stopped car starts to manoeuvre around them thinking there is plenty of room. Suddenly sees a lady chasing ducks on the remaining open space, freezes up and used all the remaining ground trying to work out an exit strategy. Combination of not wanting to mow down a human and target fixation make this the last act he ever perpetrates.

I'd like to think I'd get on the horn, and aim for the space occupied by the human as I braked desperately hoping for a opening to present for me to accelerate through or to scrub off enough speed I can stop safely, or al least with a minimum amount of damage to all concerned. Once locked into a trajectory a human is much easier to miss. They take up less of the lane.

Personally. I'd rather kill a pedestrian who was being foolish than my daughter.

In reality I won't know unless I ever face the scenario.
RIP rider and daughter. I hope the driver gets worse than a wet bus ticket, but I also hope she does not get 14 years for trying to do an act of kindness. However poorly constructed the act.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[haydes55]

"But the wife following behind wasn't speeding and avoided the accident"

How did she keep up if he was speeding and she wasn't?

What I think might have happened was bike was going 120ish, gaining on a car ahead, biker catches car, car see's stopped car and pulls into the slow lane, biker thinks he gets to overtake, then as soon as the car is out of his lane he sees the stopped car only meters ahead. From the point the car ahead pulls over, both the front bike and the wife behind would see the stopped car and start braking, being further back, the wife had more room to stop.

I reckon the lady shouldn't be jailed, but her stupidity does deserve some punishment. Home detention/community service type stuff.

[caspernz]

Dumb and dumber meet by accident, that's all there's to it. Shame biker and daughter died, a smidge less hurry and a bit more attention would have helped in this case.

Give the woman six months picking up road kill for a pet food factory, that should cure her of those woolly well intended road kill prevention tendencies.

[GrayWolf]

You wouldn't be able to handle the ManOwaR playing when I ride....

Man O Wimp? The only 'true' purveyors of 'metal'??? OMG I didnt think ANYONE listened to them.......... You truly are a 'sick puppy'

[TheDemonLord]

Man O Wimp? The only 'true' purveyors of 'metal'??? OMG I didnt think ANYONE listened to them.......... You truly are a 'sick puppy'

Anymore of that Slander and I will pull out my Loin Cloth and start singing Hail and Kill very loudly (and off Key, as I am no Eric Adams)

[unstuck]

Man O Wimp? The only 'true' purveyors of 'metal'??? OMG I didnt think ANYONE listened to them.......... You truly are a 'sick puppy'

[Taxythingy]

Suspect the biker ought to be charged for speeding and careless driving causing death (x2).

But that's moot, since he died.

I'll go with a lightish sentence and loss of licence. 6-12 months home detention?