Stupid World

**mashman** · 1st July 2014, 19:02

Originally Posted by Ocean1

I'd expect better to be honest.

The cause of poverty is low personal performance. And no amount of money will ever change it.

I'd rather they sorted it once and for all.

You're right, no amount of money will change that... so let's use no amount of money as you said it yourself, no amount of money will change that.

**Ocean1** · 1st July 2014, 19:40

Originally Posted by mashman

I'd rather they sorted it once and for all.

You're right, no amount of money will change that... so let's use no amount of money as you said it yourself, no amount of money will change that.

You can use hammers if you like.

Won't make a blind bit of difference, some people simply don't produce as much as they consume.

**mashman** · 1st July 2014, 19:53

Originally Posted by Ocean1

You can use hammers if you like.

Won't make a blind bit of difference, some people simply don't produce as much as they consume.

Cool. I'll make sure they're nice and expensive. Fortunately other things would be cheaper, ya know, to offset the economic valuation of the hammer.

Why does it matter whether a financial system is used or not then? If they're always going to be there, then why live with a system that penalises everyone for the failings of a few?

**mashman** · 1st July 2014, 20:00

Yup, it's still going on... stupidity reigns.

**Brian d marge** · 1st July 2014, 20:11

Originally Posted by mashman

Yup, it's still going on... stupidity reigns.

Just read that

Also on the twitter feed there was a comment

When will american military experts help ukraine

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...helicopters-an

Oh well the aquaponic lettuce is doing well

**mashman** · 1st July 2014, 20:20

Originally Posted by Brian d marge

Just read that

Also on the twitter feed there was a comment

When will american military experts help ukraine

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...helicopters-an

Oh well the aquaponic lettuce is doing well

Gotta stay on plan man.

The Lego Movie comes out tomorrow. I might throw on the 3D glasses and have a giggle.

**Ocean1** · 1st July 2014, 20:22

Originally Posted by mashman

Cool. I'll make sure they're nice and expensive. Fortunately other things would be cheaper, ya know, to offset the economic valuation of the hammer.

Why does it matter whether a financial system is used or not then? If they're always going to be there, then why live with a system that penalises everyone for the failings of a few?

Because without a financial system you have no way of trading anything unless by some remarkable coincidence you happen upon someone with shit you want who wants your bag of hammers. In quantities you both find acceptable. You've got no way of measuring the market value of anything and no way of saving anything.

A situation common with some human societies in the stone age, and none since.

Work it out yourself.

**mashman** · 1st July 2014, 20:40

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Because without a financial system you have no way of trading anything unless by some remarkable coincidence you happen upon someone with shit you want who wants your bag of hammers. In quantities you both find acceptable. You've got no way of measuring the market value of anything and no way of saving anything.

A situation common with some human societies in the stone age, and none since.

Work it out yourself.

Of course there's a way of trading everything without a financial system. It often happens in some circles when people hand stuff on. Why make that which is unnecessary? Why "employ" people in the pursuit of making that which is unnecessary? Why "employ" people in jobs that are unrequired? Why waste energy and materials on that which is unnecessary? The market will free itself and bound to a set of requirements requested by society... anything after that is for toys... preferably toys that are produced with components that can be reused. Beats the shit out of the opposite of any of those things that your financial system requires in order to function.

You're a fossil.

I did. Your turn.

**Banditbandit** · 2nd July 2014, 08:54

Originally Posted by Ocean1

You can use hammers if you like.

Won't make a blind bit of difference, some people simply don't produce as much as they consume.

While I don't disagree that some people are like that, that is not the major cause of poverty and blaming individuals for structural issues in society leads nowhere ..

**mashman** · 3rd July 2014, 11:19

Watch out all you farcebook users... they're out to getcha.

**Scuba_Steve** · 3rd July 2014, 12:52

Originally Posted by mashman

Watch out all you farcebook users... they're out to getcha.

Yep... Facebook is a good look at how stupid people are

**Ocean1** · 3rd July 2014, 17:02

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

While I don't disagree that some people are like that, that is not the major cause of poverty and blaming individuals for structural issues in society leads nowhere ..

I'm not. I'm blaming socialist govt policy for making 55% of Kiwis consume more than they produce.

If you genuinely wanted to help the couple of percent that need it then you wouldn't be spending that much buying votes from perfectly well remunerated Kiwis.