Dashcam Vigilantes

[BoristheBiter]

You may not pass a vehicle ahead of you that is indicating in reasonable time to move into that lane. At the end of the day the following/overtaking vehicle is always responsible in situations like this.
Judge Judy would certainly call it careless driving by Mc Screamy especially with the multiple ad campaigns we have on let the bus out into traffic in city.

again you are wrong, it is the vehicle changing lanes at make sure it is safe to do so.

Would you be so kind as to post where you are getting your information on road rules from as it seems to very different to what i have.

[pritch]

again you are wrong, it is the vehicle changing lanes at make sure it is safe to do so.

A vehicle may pull out if the way is clear. When the bus pulled out, the way was clear. Busses though don't move quickly from a stop and the gay twat car driver just carried on as if nothing was happening. If the car driver had been operating at even the most basic level of competence that situation would have been avoided.

I was told by a Police Inspector that there is another road rule that says you must not drive so as to cause an accident. My tuppence worth says the car driver would be guilty of that.

[BoristheBiter]

A vehicle may pull out if the way is clear. When the bus pulled out, the way was clear. Busses though don't move quickly from a stop and the gay twat car driver just carried on as if nothing was happening. If the car driver had been operating at even the most basic level of competence that situation would have been avoided.

I was told by a Police Inspector that there is another road rule that says you must not drive so as to cause an accident. My tuppence worth says the car driver would be guilty of that.

I'm not saying he wasn't as you could see what the bus was going to do for ages.
Maybe that just comes with experience.

You could then say the bus driver never looked as the car never changed lanes and stayed at a constant speed so the bus driver should have known he would be pulling out in front of the car.

this is a constant problem on most of the roads where people just put their indicator on and think they have the right to just change lanes whether something is there or not.
If this attitude changes then you will see a lot more courtesy on the road.

[thepom]

Your right there Boris, people indicating and pulling out into traffic at 50 kmph and causing me to brake hard or avoid them if I,m on the bike is a serious problem here in chch....that and running red lights.......also I give cyclists a very wide berth too....I don't care if he thinks he is the king of the road on his bike, if I hit or clip him it could be fatal.....everyone goes home afterwards......

[pzkpfw]

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this is a constant problem on most of the roads where people just put their indicator on and think they have the right to just change lanes whether something is there or not.
If this attitude changes then you will see a lot more courtesy on the road.

Yes, that happens; but much more common in my experience is people deliberately making it hard for others to change lane or merge, or at least making zero attempt to help. The road code (not been able to find it in legislation) used to say it was partly your responsibility to help others merge. Because people don't it becomes necessary to be a bit "pushy" about it.

I think it's the reverse of what you wrote. If people showed more courtesy on the road, letting/helping other people merge and change lanes, then there'd be a lot [s]more[/s] less stress out there.

Busses need to pop in and out of traffic, and it's a good idea to encourage busses as they get more people out of cars. Busses often have signs on the back that ask people to let them in. It's an expected behaviour.

Of course a bus shouldn't just jam out in front of someone; but if it indicates long enough, and there's a bit of a gap, it should be able to move out with the expectation that an alert driver (not a driver with a smug "my rights" attitude) lets it in.

[BoristheBiter]

Yes, that happens; but much more common in my experience is people deliberately making it hard for others to change lane or merge, or at least making zero attempt to help. The road code (not been able to find it in legislation) used to say it was partly your responsibility to help others merge. Because people don't it becomes necessary to be a bit "pushy" about it.

I think it's the reverse of what you wrote. If people showed more courtesy on the road, letting/helping other people merge and change lanes, then there'd be a lot more stress out there.

Busses need to pop in and out of traffic, and it's a good idea to encourage busses as they get more people out of cars. Busses often have signs on the back that ask people to let them in. It's an expected behaviour.

Of course a bus shouldn't just jam out in front of someone; but if it indicates long enough, and there's a bit of a gap, it should be able to move out with the expectation that an alert driver (not a driver with a smug "my rights" attitude) lets it in.

Is spend most of my time on the motorway so buses aren't really the problem, well not at peak times, as they are using the bus lanes.

I do how ever have a big problem with rat racers, the ones that go as far as they can up the inside then just push in.
Whether that is merging from an on ramp or if the lane merges after an off ramp or even when they blast up the inside lane then push in.
This is the cause of people failing to let people in.

It's the way NZ seems to be going, really bad manners.

[pzkpfw]

Is spend most of my time on the motorway so buses aren't really the problem, well not at peak times, as they are using the bus lanes.

I do how ever have a big problem with rat racers, the ones that go as far as they can up the inside then just push in.
Whether that is merging from an on ramp or if the lane merges after an off ramp or even when they blast up the inside lane then push in.
This is the cause of people failing to let people in.

It's the way NZ seems to be going, really bad manners.

Yeah that one I'm in two minds on.

The way the (usually too short in NZ) merging lane should work is you (and the people in the other lane) use the length of it to adjust speeds and positions to make/use a safe space, and by the end of the lane you just smoothly slot in.

But in busy traffic where the lane merged into is not moving, it feels "rude" when someone uses the (empty) merging lane to pass a bunch of vehicles. However, merging in at the end of the merging lane is basically correct; and when someone stops right at the start of the merging lane, trying to get a gap to merge into right there - they block a whole bunch of vehicles that could otherwise move onto the merging lane. So yeah, I'm in two minds on that one.

I do both. If I come onto the merging lane by myself I move along to the end and merge there *1. If I come on behind someone else, and they're merging near the start, I'll tend to try to merge in behind the vehicle they merged in front of *2. Like a zip.

(*1 maybe the difference is "surprising" someone versus slowing down near the end of the lane to "gently" slot in.)

(*2 but I have also driven/ridden onto the shoulder, to pass (on the left) someone stopped right at the start of the merging lane, when there's 100 m of clear merging land ahead of them ...)

But: people who move out of a jammed lane, into a merging lane, to go ahead and merge back into the jammed lane (does that happen?) ought to be shot.

[varminter]

If push bike riders keep riding like that the PTB will increase the ACC pament for them...oh.