Retiree shoots pregnant intruder

[oldrider]

I would imagine mercy is the last thing on your mind when somebody has just tried to kill you.

I don't think he was too threatened to leave it up to the law to sort .. as metioned above he had been waiting all his life for a chance to do that and he took it!

Who needs enemies with countrymen like him! . Silly old cunt IMHO!

[nzspokes]

I dunno, do you? there is nothing in the article about imminent peril

You dont think the fact they just beat him to the ground is not imminent peril?

Where did they show him mercy? How did he know he was safe?

Do you really think they gave a shit about him when the broke in and tried to beat him down and potentially kill him? He is 80. A fall of any kind can kill.

[Big Dog]

I would imagine mercy is the last thing on your mind when somebody has just tried to kill you.

Only happened a dozen times. None home invasions.

Although the threat level was high and real I have been lucky.

Most I was in a position to retaliate. I last retaliated with violence 25 years ago to stop further violence from a sadistic bully. I last responded with intimidation 15 years ago.

I don't hold a grudge. Hell, no grudge moments after the fact.

Forgiveness does more for your soul than the person who harmed you.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[nzspokes]

Forgiveness does more for your soul than the person who harmed you.

It doesnt do a lot when somebody is stomping on your head.

[bogan]

You dont think the fact they just beat him to the ground is not imminent peril?

Where did they show him mercy? How did he know he was safe?

Do you really think they gave a shit about him when the broke in and tried to beat him down and potentially kill him? He is 80. A fall of any kind can kill.

No, it isn't; by the very definition of the word imminent.

Instead of beating him to death, they only incapacitated him; one could argue that is mercy.

Of course they didn't, but that is beside my point. You seem to think simply because they broke in and assaulted him they deserved to die; I do not think this is a good way of thinking as it simply escalates things, an eye for an eye is bad enough; this just goes another step too far.

[Big Dog]

I'm sorry but give mercy were mercy has been earnt.

Give mercy to an assailant so they can run off laughing at getting away with it, which will reinforce their core values and encourage them to do it again to someone else... who may not survive to defend themselves?

If you give mercy only where mercy is due you have done nothing but your duty.

When you give mercy because you can, that is power.


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[Sharry]

Nothing.
Nothing.
Is it really relevant?
We don't, possibly why the article is worth reading and thinking about; I don't think I could ever get over killing someone while they begger for mercy no matter how well justified it as, could you?
Of course they don't. But just cos they didn't have the right to do what they did, doesn't mean they no longer have the right to live.

So, the solution to not enough respect is to just kill the disrespectful? Not sure I'm quite on board with such measures

I don't disagree, he should not have had a loaded gun lying in reach. without that this would not have happened.
I don't have a gun and could not shoot anyone either. I don't think invading an elderly man's sacnturary and beating him up then try to rob him deserves the death penelty. But he lives in a country where a man is allowed to defend his property. In that land I would chose not to invade his house.
There will be too many things that we don't know about it

[nzspokes]

Instead of beating him to death, they only incapacitated him;

Only because he got his hands on a weapon.

They beat him. He is 80. How well do you think an 80 year old body handles a beating?

[Sharry]

If you give mercy only where mercy is due you have done nothing but your duty.

When you give mercy because you can, that is power.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

I see giving mercy to someone who has just beaten the shit out me and is now robbing me as giving them more power than they sarted with. That is telling them they are good people and what they are doing is with worth forgiving.

I give mercy where is it is due, not to make me feel good.

[bogan]

I don't disagree, he should not have had a loaded gun lying in reach. without that this would not have happened.
I don't have a gun and could not shoot anyone either. I don't think invading an elderly man's sacnturary and beating him up then try to rob him deserves the death penelty. But he lives in a country where a man is allowed to defend his property. In that land I would chose not to invade his house.
There will be too many things that we don't know about it

I don't know about the not having a gun thing, the gun culture over there is just way too different to here to make any judgement calls on how that escalates/de-escalates the situation. Agree with the rest, especially that we don't know enough about it to make a call one way or the other.

[Big Dog]

It doesnt do a lot when somebody is stomping on your head.

She wasn't stomping on his head when she begged for the life of her unborn child.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[bogan]

Only because he got his hands on a weapon.

They beat him. He is 80. How well do you think an 80 year old body handles a beating?

He didn't get his hands on the weapon mid fight though, they stopped for other reasons "I come back and they see me with a gun, and they run"

Ah, so is it only beating up 80 year olds that earns you the death penalty? Stop using the straw man argument that they are in the wrong; of course they are, but it certainly isn't clear that they were far enough in the wrong to justify being killed while begging for mercy.

[Sharry]

She wasn't stomping on his head when she begged for the life of her unborn child.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

She may have said that to gain an advantage, we do not know that she was. She had already done the head stomping by then.

[nzspokes]

She wasn't stomping on his head when she begged for the life of her unborn child.

Was she thinking about her unborn child when she was stomping on his head? When she broke into his property?

[nzspokes]

He didn't get his hands on the weapon mid fight though, they stopped for other reasons "I come back and they see me with a gun, and they run"

Ah, so is it only beating up 80 year olds that earns you the death penalty? Stop using the straw man argument that they are in the wrong; of course they are, but it certainly isn't clear that they were far enough in the wrong to justify being killed while begging for mercy.

You think beating up 80 year old's doesn't deserve a death penalty?