Sidecar Racing

[Kickaha]

Are you implying Stirts likes backdoor....???

More likely Gordie


Now at levels a couple of weekends another sidecar dropped oil, I know, I know hard to believe but it happened, we are now trying to get the guys here to adopt the FIM standard or as close to it as possible because after this year, Paeroa, Taupo and Levels we're not exactly flavour of the month

These rules take it a few steps higher than what we already have and to a higher standard than the current Bristish rules and I think it's what we should be aiming for

14. OIL & COOLANT REGULATIONS
(These are based on the latest FIM Sidecar World Championship Regulations)

a)In the area directly below the engine, the oil containment tray shall be constructed to hold, in case of an engine breakdown the total oil
and engine coolant capacity used in the engine (min. 5 litres). It must be securely affixed to the chassis.

Please note: - the catch trays will be checked at Technical Inspection and must hold the required 5 litres (when tested with water). The tray must also be of a robust nature
fit for racing (not made up of tape and glue) Any rider/machine found to be depositing oil on the circuit will be recalled to Technical Inspection for checking. If
the bike is found not to conform to the regulations the rider will be excluded from the meeting.

b) The surrounding edges of the tray shall be at least 170 mm above the bottom of the tray.
Any passages for chain, chain tension device, gears hift linkage etc. must be sufficiently closed with rubber sealing bellows or sealing lips to avoid any leakage of oil spray. Holes
for engine mounts (hangers) shall be sealed.

c) This tray should incorporate a maximum of two holes of 25 mm in diameter and be closed with rubber plugs. These holes shall remain closed in dry conditions and only opened
when ‘wet’ race conditions have been declared by the Clerk of the Course.

d) The frontal edge of the oil bay reservoir wall shall be extended upwards to arrive just below (within 20 mm) the exhaust ports of the engine.

e) From a vertical view, the engine block shall be located completely inside the oil bay platform.

f) The rear wheel shall be protected from any possible oil-spray. To make this protection, the engine and the rear wheel compartment shall be separated.
–
This separation shall be created by installing a solid divider (wall).
–
This wall reaches from the top of the inside of the fairing and shall overlap the rear edge of the oil tray to the rear section by at least 100 mm.
–
An additional overlapping of at least 50 mm must be installed to the inside of the catch tank in the area behind the cylinder head.

g) All sidecars shall attach oil absorbent materials of no less a quality than 3M Product number 05656 or CEP Sorbents/ product numberCEP-EP100.

h) This material shall be securely fixed to the following areas of the sidecar:
– The entire tray, both the bottom and inside walls of the same. The volume of material used in this area, according to manufacturer’s specifications, shall absorb
not less than 3 litres of oil.
– The material shall be attached in such a way that it should be easily replaced, yet shall not become dislodged whilst on the track, and its effectiveness is not
inhibited, i.e. if an adhesive is used it shall not clog the material, causing it to lose its absorbent properties.
– In the event that oil is absorbed by the material,it shall be replaced before the next track session.
i)
All absorbent material used, shall be non-flammable by design.

[nodrog:Me]

More likely Gordie


Now at levels a couple of weekends another sidecar dropped oil, I know, I know hard to believe but it happened, we are now trying to get the guys here to adopt the FIM standard or as close to it as possible because after this year, Paeroa, Taupo and Levels we're not exactly flavour of the month

These rules take it a few steps higher than what we already have and to a higher standard than the current Bristish rules and I think it's what we should be aiming for

14. OIL & COOLANT REGULATIONS
(These are based on the latest FIM Sidecar World Championship Regulations)

a)In the area directly below the engine, the oil containment tray shall be constructed to hold, in case of an engine breakdown the total oil
and engine coolant capacity used in the engine (min. 5 litres). It must be securely affixed to the chassis.

Please note: - the catch trays will be checked at Technical Inspection and must hold the required 5 litres (when tested with water). The tray must also be of a robust nature
fit for racing (not made up of tape and glue) Any rider/machine found to be depositing oil on the circuit will be recalled to Technical Inspection for checking. If
the bike is found not to conform to the regulations the rider will be excluded from the meeting.

b) The surrounding edges of the tray shall be at least 170 mm above the bottom of the tray.
Any passages for chain, chain tension device, gears hift linkage etc. must be sufficiently closed with rubber sealing bellows or sealing lips to avoid any leakage of oil spray. Holes
for engine mounts (hangers) shall be sealed.

c) This tray should incorporate a maximum of two holes of 25 mm in diameter and be closed with rubber plugs. These holes shall remain closed in dry conditions and only opened
when ‘wet’ race conditions have been declared by the Clerk of the Course.

d) The frontal edge of the oil bay reservoir wall shall be extended upwards to arrive just below (within 20 mm) the exhaust ports of the engine.

e) From a vertical view, the engine block shall be located completely inside the oil bay platform.

f) The rear wheel shall be protected from any possible oil-spray. To make this protection, the engine and the rear wheel compartment shall be separated.
–
This separation shall be created by installing a solid divider (wall).
–
This wall reaches from the top of the inside of the fairing and shall overlap the rear edge of the oil tray to the rear section by at least 100 mm.
–
An additional overlapping of at least 50 mm must be installed to the inside of the catch tank in the area behind the cylinder head.

g) All sidecars shall attach oil absorbent materials of no less a quality than 3M Product number 05656 or CEP Sorbents/ product numberCEP-EP100.

h) This material shall be securely fixed to the following areas of the sidecar:
– The entire tray, both the bottom and inside walls of the same. The volume of material used in this area, according to manufacturer’s specifications, shall absorb
not less than 3 litres of oil.
– The material shall be attached in such a way that it should be easily replaced, yet shall not become dislodged whilst on the track, and its effectiveness is not
inhibited, i.e. if an adhesive is used it shall not clog the material, causing it to lose its absorbent properties.
– In the event that oil is absorbed by the material,it shall be replaced before the next track session.
i)
All absorbent material used, shall be non-flammable by design.

most of that wont work on a short bike. the rule should "be don't be a fuckin retard."

How do you seal around a drive chain?

This was discussed at the agm.

Contact Ian Staples Re the matt sample he has taken away to test. (Pate supplied it)

[Grumph]

Those regs are designed around water cooled motors. Don't fancy running an air cooled with the tray coming up the front that close to the exhaust ports....BMW's excepted of course.

[Kickaha]

most of that wont work on a short bike. the rule should "be don't be a fuckin retard."

Was Barry Fane being a retard at Paeroa? was Alex being a retard at Taupo?


TT regulations which apply to shorties

8 Oil and Coolant Containment
• In the area directly below the engine, the oil containment tray must be constructed to hold, in case of an engine break down, at least half of the
total oil and engine coolant capacity used in the engine (minimum 5 litres).
• The surrounding edges of the tray must be at least 50mm above the bottom of the tray, measured vertically from the tray Oil containment
material must be fixed to this tray and the sides.
• The frontal edge of the oil tray wall must be extended upwards to arrive just below (within 20mm) of the exhaust ports of the engine. The rear
face of the tray should be to the height of the swinging arm and the minimum width should be equal to the width of the rear tyre.
• The gear lever must exit via a rubber boot or two rubber curtains.
• The chain slot must have a rubber curtain fitted.
• Holes for the engine mounts (hangers) must be sealed.
• From a vertical view, the engine must be located completely inside the oil tray platform.
• The rear wheel must be protected from any possible oil spray. To make this protection, the engine and rear wheel compartment must be
separated. This separation must be created by installing a solid divider (wall) running from the top of the inside of the bodywork to the bottom of the oil tray. This divider (wall) must overlap the rear edge of the oil tray down to the bottom.
• All machines must use this tray.
• All sidecars shall attach oil absorbent materials of no less a quality than 3M Product number T156 or CEP Sorbents product number CEP-EP100.
• This material shall be securely fixed to the following areas of the sidecar.
• The entire oil-tray, both the bottom and the inside walls of the same. The volume of material used in this area, according to the manufacturers specifications, shall absorb not less than 3 litres of oil.
• Any bodywork directly covering the engine.
• In the event that oil is absorbed by the material, it must be replaced before the next track session.
• The material must be attached in such a way that it should be easily replaced, yet must not become dislodged whilst on the track, and its
effectiveness is not inhibited, i.e. if an adhesive is used it must not clog the material, causing it to lose its absorbent properties.
• All absorbent material shall be non-flammable by design.
• Oil-lines containing positive pressure, if replaced, must be of metal reinforced construction with swaged or threaded connectors.
• Oil coolers must not be mounted on or above the bodywork of the sidecar.
• The location of the oil tank and the oil cooler should be placed in a location where it is least likely to be damaged on an accident.
• Ignition pick-up covers must be lock wired

How do you seal around a drive chain?

You probably cant totally but the gap around it can be made much smaller so it's harder for it to splash out

This was discussed at the agm.

And what's been done about it since?

Contact Ian Staples Re the matt sample he has taken away to test. (Pate supplied it)

Don't need to, Spike supplied us some stuff at Manfield and Grant has dropped off two other samples that I have at home to play with or turn into a pillow or something

[nodrog:Me]

Was Barry Fane being a retard at Paeroa? was Alex being a retard at Taupo?

Barry Fanes wasn't an oil tray containment issue, it was a split remote mounted oil cooler from a collision. Hardly anything that could be foreseen to be an issue. But it can be controlled to an extent with the addition of some mat around the fairings. The poor cunt could probably have accidents every race for the rest of his life and never split that oil cooler again. I don't know what happened with Alex.

The comment re retardation was more about people using plastic bungs in unused engine case holes, garden hose as oil lines etc.

The other thing that needs to be addressed is this -

"10.13 For sealed surface competition, all crank cases, gear box, oil drain and breather tubes open only into a catch tank, i.e. a plastic bottle or suitable container to catch oil and oil mists."

I take that as no breather into the airbox, which most long bikes don't comply with as the crankcase breather goes vertically straight up into the airbox.

[Kickaha]

"10.13 For sealed surface competition, all crank cases, gear box, oil drain and breather tubes open only into a catch tank, i.e. a plastic bottle or suitable container to catch oil and oil mists."

I take that as no breather into the airbox, which most long bikes don't comply with as the crankcase breather goes vertically straight up into the airbox.

I take it as using my airbox as a catch tank as it is suitable container to catch oil and oil mists and nothing says thay can't be one and the same, problem solved, I'll get a sticker made up that says catch tank and attach it to my airbox errr I mean my catch tank

Anyway even if they can't use the airbox that is a very simple one to fix

[nodrog:Me]

I take it as using my airbox as a catch tank as it is suitable container to catch oil and oil mists and nothing says thay can't be one and the same, problem solved, I'll get a sticker made up that says catch tank and attach it to my airbox errr I mean my catch tank

Anyway even if they can't use the airbox that is a very simple one to fix

Im getting a sticker made up and put on my sump that says "fully sealed catch tray".

[Kickaha]

Im getting a sticker made up and put on my sump that says "fully sealed catch tray".

Mint, so we get batch of stickers made up and the problem goes away

[Fast Eddie]

I've already made you an offer for the windle.

A homeless man has already beaten your offer. Thanks though..

if you are too tight to put up more photos, upload them to photobucket etc, and put a link in your add.

Calm down, there is already a photo on there.. its not an art exhibition.

[husaberg]

Are you implying Stirts likes backdoor....???

WTF why would the wives preference matter. I thought it was irrelevant after marriage? Honour and obey init.........

[scrivy]

WTF why would the wives preference matter. I thought it was irrelevant after marriage? Honour and obey init.........

Im pickin the only way Stirts likes backdoor is if she has a strapadicktome...... poor Gordie....

[Kickaha]

Barry Fanes wasn't an oil tray containment issue, it was a split remote mounted oil cooler from a collision. Hardly anything that could be foreseen to be an issue. But it can be controlled to an extent with the addition of some mat around the fairings.

I know I've seen one set of rules that said you have to have absorbent stuff under or around the oil cooler

[scrivy]

Don't need to, Spike supplied us some stuff at Manfield and Grant has dropped off two other samples that I have at home to play with or turn into a pillow or something

Feck this shit.... im going battery powered....... no oil.....

[Kickaha]

Feck this shit.... im going battery powered....... no oil.....

50K will build you something as quick as anything in the country,may as well get an LCR

[husaberg]

Im pickin the only way Stirts likes backdoor is if she has a strapadicktome...... poor Gordie....

I find it hard to believe she had let this conversation go as far as it has........
And other than her taste in gordies I understand she has a character beyond repute............