Two Wheels or Three = FUN
I work for an Australian owned company that is owned by an Italian/Australian that couldn't give a ruby coloured rodents posterior about his NZ workers. Used to be NZ owned and the difference in attitude towards it's employees was night and day compared to this prick. It's all about profit now and getting bigger and bigger and bigger and....Originally Posted by Woodman
Scooter boy
Yeh I agree with you:
the head of Treasury is not really an expert in his field and his comments that inequality is not good and worse than before, and that GDP is not the best measure of how well our country is doing are completely groundless. What would he know?
Scooter boy
Problem is the trickle effect works in this regard... it has trickled down to many NZ owned companies too.I work for an Australian owned company that is owned by an Italian/Australian that couldn't give a ruby coloured rodents posterior about his NZ workers. Used to be NZ owned and the difference in attitude towards it's employees was night and day compared to this prick. It's all about profit now and getting bigger and bigger and bigger and....
I have seen many a small/medium sized business kiwi employers adopting the ruthless approach of short term profits before everything else - hiring foreign workers for significantly less, paying them below minimum wage, forcing them to work longer hours, dodgy contracts etc. When someones visa runs out or is up for renewal they can merely drop the worker with out needing to fire them or dismissing them.
Most of these businesses are located in the bigger cities, but have seen it spread rurally over the last few years with treatment of Filipino farm workers too.
A big issue that he didn't delve into in the doco was the general move in the labour market for more "flexible" employment, ie. "self employed contractors" and the implications of this.
Forum whore
Flexi rosters are becoming quite common now, so instead of having a bit of overtime for the underpaid occaisionally, their hours are worked out ahead of time so they only ever do their contracted 40 hours per week, including weekend hours.
Mind you i somewhat blame the employment laws for having low wages and not the "living wage". Some just would not work any harder to get the living wage making the extra cost not worth it.
I mentioned vegetables once, but I think I got away with it...........
Two Wheels or Three = FUN
He made mention of how surprised he was at "The Warehouse" advocating for the minimum wage of $18.40 but failed to mention that most workers are having to get several or more than one job to make ends meet. Employers can get away with not providing a 40 hour week for their employees these days. They then employ more workers part time to get around paying penal rates. Sucks IMO. At least I still work a minimum of 40 hrs (and often more, with overtime rates thrown in) in one job...got that to be thankful for I guess.
Scooter boy
Ouch that flex roster sounds like shit. I've always considered myself bloody lucky for the areas that I've worked in where pay and contracts have been reasonable.
Your last sentence definitely has merit. Plenty of small businesses have been screwed over because of shit workers with poor productivity (I guess again its an example of how the trickle effect has worked so well - an increase in shit employers, but also an increase in shit workers). In my opinion a "living wage" is an ambulance at bottom of the cliff approach when the root problems are like you said employment law, job security, but also employment culture (many work places don't seem to understand how much a good work culture increases productivity), and wider things like housing/debt etc. However there needs to be a reign in of the excessive salaries at the top, at a minimum it can be applied to the public service - where "market rates" should have no fucking relevance.
Bored Room
Really, my memory of Unions is lazy Pommy bastards.
I found Aussie unions just a bad.
Anyone remember the Boilermakers..... Wharfies........ Tanker Drivers.
Clearly an old skool labour voter.
DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.
Bored Room
Isn't that the Walmart employment model...some good video clips on that lot.
DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.
Two Wheels or Three = FUN
Haha...You're only interested in the ugly but-cracks
Bogeyman
Anyone with enough of the right information can be an expert. What you're an expert in is more or less defined by the information you have, and if this particular expert had a different set of information he'd have probably had a different conclusion.
The generally accepted theories that income inequality is firstly a worthwhile measure of the justice inherent in a society and secondly that the income gap is becoming wider aren't actually correct. You have to select your data very carefully to produce information that goes even part way to demonstrating either of those theories. No surprise that the more socialist elements of the world have been quite careful, they've also been very busy publishing the fuck out of their theories.
Whereas the real truth is that equality of personal income will be "just" when there's equality of personal production, and not until. And the real fact is that global income equality is moving in the opposite direction to that claimed by these fuckwits: it's converging.
The vast majority of people on this planet have never had it so good. A theory supported by most experts who've got no particular axe to grind. But, y'know, now that you're all worked up about it don't let the facts slow you down any.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Scooter boy
Yes a big global conspiracy of lefties. Meanwhile in NZ.....Anyone with enough of the right information can be an expert. What you're an expert in is more or less defined by the information you have, and if this particular expert had a different set of information he'd have probably had a different conclusion.
The generally accepted theories that income inequality is firstly a worthwhile measure of the justice inherent in a society and secondly that the income gap is becoming wider aren't actually correct. You have to select your data very carefully to produce information that goes even part way to demonstrating either of those theories. No surprise that the more socialist elements of the world have been quite careful, they've also been very busy publishing the fuck out of their theories.
Whereas the real truth is that equality of personal income will be "just" when there's equality of personal production, and not until. And the real fact is that global income equality is moving in the opposite direction to that claimed by these fuckwits: it's converging.
The vast majority of people on this planet have never had it so good. A theory supported by most experts who've got no particular axe to grind. But, y'know, now that you're all worked up about it don't let the facts slow you down any.
Bogeyman
... The vast majority are measurably better off than their parents.Yes a big global conspiracy of lefties. Meanwhile in NZ.....
Fact.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Scooter boy
How about this for a taxpayer rort:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10907881Employers accused of abusing scheme When the Government job subsidy ends so, too often, do jobs, putting dejected employees back on the hunt for work.
Nearly a third of employees who find work, partly thanks to a Government subsidy for their employers, are not kept on once the money runs out.
Employment advocates say this is evidence the system is not working.
Employers are able to access Government subsidies for the wages of people they hire off the benefit, for a six-month term.
Work and Income launched Job Streams in July last year, which combined all the available schemes. In the first year, about $20 million was spent on subsidy schemes Flexi-Wage Basic and Flexi-Wage Plus, which includes funding for mentoring.
Bogeyman
Then why did they take so much off them in the first place?
Pretty fucking stupid roundabout game innit?
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Bogeyman
Of course it's a fucking rort, if they were worth their wages they'd be employed without the subsidy.
I know a couple of business that do OK with those schemes, keeping people on after their subsidy expires. They're better men than me, I've never had one that was worth anywhere near what they cost me. Usually the reverse.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
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