I would like to apologise for being a westerner

[Banditbandit]

RACISTS ARE RAMPAGING THROUGH ISRAEL

That's scary - and puts it into perspective .. the Palestinians are fighting for their lives and freedom ... the Israelis are fighting because they hate the Arabs ...

Shit .. a real cluster fuck ..

[mada]

Yeh them Israelis are real peaceful and just want peace.....

Israeli official calls for concentration camps in Gaza and 'the conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters'

• Moshe Feiglin is Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset
• He posted the message on his Facebook page at the weekend Plan includes shipping the people living in Gaza across the world
• IDF would 'exterminate nests of resistance' as part of his plan
• The Gaza war has left more than 1,800 Palestinians dead

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...upporters.html

This whole "hamas" started it and won't "recognise" Israel crap is a load bull. Hamas only came into existence due to Israel's actions in Gaza in 1987. Israel had occupied Gaza since the 60s. The claim that they won't ever recognise Israel because of a founding document nearly thirty years old is laughable.

Ask the Israeli's if they would ever recognise an independent Palestinian state? The response would be to build more fucking settlements on their land.

Here is the Deputy leader of their Parliament in his own free words:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ar...6#.U-LpAtxgpFw

Ultimatum � One warning from the Prime Minister of Israel to the enemy population, in which he announces that Israel is about to attack military targets in their area and urges those who are not involved and do not wish to be harmed to leave immediately. Sinai is not far from Gaza and they can leave. This will be the limit of Israel�s humanitarian efforts. Hamas may unconditionally surrender and prevent the attack.

Attack � Attack the entire �target bank� throughout Gaza with the IDF�s maximum force (and not a tiny fraction of it) with all the conventional means at its disposal. All the military and infrastructural targets will be attacked with no consideration for �human shields� or �environmental damage�. It is enough that we are hitting exact targets and that we gave them advance warning.

Siege � Parallel to the above, a total siege on Gaza. Nothing will enter the area. Israel, however, will allow exit from Gaza. (Civilians may go to Sinai, fighters may surrender to IDF forces).

Defense � Any place from which Israel or Israel�s forces were attacked will be immediately attacked with full force and no consideration for �human shields� or �environmental damage�.

Conquer � After the IDF completes the "softening" of the targets with its fire-power, the IDF will conquer the entire Gaza, using all the means necessary to minimize any harm to our soldiers, with no other considerations.

Elimination- The GSS and IDF will thoroughly eliminate all armed enemies from Gaza. The enemy population that is innocent of wrong-doing and separated itself from the armed terrorists will be treated in accordance with international law and will be allowed to leave. Israel will generously aid those who wish to leave.

Sovereignty � Gaza is part of our Land and we will remain there forever. Liberation of parts of our land forever is the only thing that justifies endangering our soldiers in battle to capture land. Subsequent to the elimination of terror from Gaza, it will become part of sovereign Israel and will be populated by Jews. This will also serve to ease the housing crisis in Israel. The coastal train line will be extended, as soon as possible, to reach the entire length of Gaza.

According to polls, most of the Arabs in Gaza wish to leave. Those who were not involved in anti-Israel activity will be offered a generous international emigration package. Those who choose to remain will receive permanent resident status. After a number of years of living in Israel and becoming accustomed to it, contingent on appropriate legislation in the Knesset and the authorization of the Minister of Interior, those who personally accept upon themselves Israel�s rule, substance and way of life of the Jewish State in its Land, will be offered Israeli citizenship.

How about putting it all into CONTEXT.

A couple of hundred years from now, Maori's abroad have bad shit happen to them and are persecuted. Meanwhile in NZ we are controlled by the Chinese. Pakeha and Maori live side by side, both wanting their own nation, but neither wanting a nation dominated by each other. There are many riots between each other and killings. The Maori set up a number of terror groups that target the Chinese administration and local Pakeha population through car bombings, violence etc.

Eventually the Chinese after fighting a long war that they win against America no longer want to control NZ as its too expensive to maintain and administer. They decide to partition it up having some sympathy for the Maori and what occurred (and them having failed to prevent it). Despite there only being a couple of thousand Maori in NZ and millions of Palestinians, they give half of the country to the Maori. The local Pakeha are not happy about this arrangement as they will lose some of their own land and connection to areas they have been at for hundreds of years without reparation or input into the deal. They request aid from their Pakeha neighbours in Australia. Debate at the UN continues on how the portioning will occur. Meanwhile the Maori continue their terrorist bombing campaigns, blowing up the Skycity Conference centre killing hundreds of Chinese officials who were gambling at the time and innocent civilians.

Eventually the Chinese pull out and the Maori declare their independence. Under the partition plan they had been granted the whole of the North Island. While Pakeha would have the South Island. The Maori's then force all the Pakehas in the North Island out of their homes or face the consequences. A number of massacres take place on both sides, reminiscent of the movie UTU. Meanwhile the Australians invade, but a quickly routed and their armies destroyed. The Maori then push them back and occupy not only all the North Island, but the partitioned Pakeha South Island, they also take over Tasmania and Queensland. They decide rather than letting this land go to waste or letting the Pakeha get on with things, that they will build new settlements on all of these places. The inhabitants of Christchurch are forced to flee as their homes are bulldozed and the great Maori settlement of Kaiapoi is expanded. Maori then use their military to raid Pakeha houses and ensure that no Pakeha are hiding weapons or anti-Maori material.

Each time a Maori is killed or hurt, the Maori retaliate by killing 10 - 100 times more Pakeha. The Pakeha are enraged by this, with a small number of them turning to and supporting extremists who form together into armed bands of Associations of Citizens and Taxpayers (ACT). ACT then undertakes a campaign which is similar to the initial terrorist methods that the Maori used when they were fighting for independence - bombing military targets, attacking police etc. However this fails to get any traction, so they start targeting civilians too, like their Maori counterparts had decades before. So they start bombing night clubs, markets, etc. To get more support and international funding from their resource rich Australian and UK Pakeha cuzzies they claim they will not stop until they destroy Israel. And so it continues, and with each time the Maori forces kill a Pakeha or round up and raid innocent Pakeha's more Pakeha turn to the extremist cause and terrorism of ACT. And ACT continues to fight for Pakeha rights and independence taking inspiration from the American Revolutionaries who used to fight then blend in with civilians and launch attacks from civilian areas, and the Israeli Haganah, Stern Gang, and Irgun, and the Maori Tino Rangatiratanga movement.

The Maoris then separate the Southland Strip from the West Coast, claiming all the rest of the land as their own. They place a total blockade on Southland from sea, air, and land. ACT's presence is limited to Southland and in response they launch crude missile attacks. The missiles they use have an accuracy and effectiveness which is somewhere between a primary school kids spit ball and a high school kids spud launcher. Very few civilians are killed, especially children. ACT admit they don't care too much about Maori civilian areas because the Maori state forces all adult Maori into patched Mongrel Mob service at age 18 for three years and to remain as reserves for many years after.

If only the Pakeha could accept that Maori are entitled to their land and their own state as gods chosen people and a persecuted people. Maori should have the right to defend themselves - so each time one Maori is killed 1000s of Pakeha including children are rounded up and thrown into detention centres for hours, days, and weeks, without charges. Throwing of stones will no longer get a police warning, instead one will be subjected to dawn raids by the local Mongrel Mob chapter even if you did not actually participate. Pakeha have the power to stop supporting ACT, its all their fault.

Glad to see so many on here fully support the cause of Tino Rangatiratanga!

[JATZ]

Yeh them Israelis are real peaceful and just want peace.....

LOTS OF WORDS......

Glad to see so many on here fully support the cause of Tino Rangatiratanga!

Crikey
That's quite a story, didja make it up y'self ?

[oldrider]

Nothing of all of this is new, it is part of a Zionist plan that was apparently leaked many years ago!

I first read this (book form) in the 1950's and have tried to dismiss and refute it!

But historically they just keep on doing things that confirm that it is more likely to be the truth! (Gaza and recent middle East wars are no exception!)

Link: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/proto...sion.shtml#who

And updated again!

Link: http://www.rense.com/general49/prot.htm

If you take the time to read it all you will find that they (extreme Zionists) are right on cue with their New World Order.

Not anti Jew in any way, .... all Jews are not Zionists but all Zionists are Jews.

[Banditbandit]

Nothing of all of this is new, it is part of a Zionist plan that was apparently leaked many years ago!

I first read this (book form) in the 1950's and have tried to dismiss and refute it!

But historically they just keep on doing things that confirm that it is more likely to be the truth! (Gaza and recent middle East wars are no exception!)

Link: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/proto...sion.shtml#who

And updated again!

Link: http://www.rense.com/general49/prot.htm

If you take the time to read it all you will find that they (extreme Zionists) are right on cue with their New World Order.

Not anti Jew in any way, .... all Jews are not Zionists but all Zionists are Jews.

I'm sorry but the Protocols of Zion are completed discredited as any kind of authentic statement of Zionist aspirations ..

[oldrider]

I'm sorry but the Protocols of Zion are completed discredited as any kind of authentic statement of Zionist aspirations ..

Discredited by who? ... Its simply there for anyone to make up their own mind ... let them discredit it if they want to ... free choice!

[Brett]

If those statements and facts regarding targeting of children is correct (which I am rather unsure about given the amount of misinformation that is being generated and sold as fact and news by the various news sources) then that is categorically wrong and horrendous and completely inexcusable in my view and opinion.

That said, in any war there will be those on either side of the rift that are evil people capable of carrying out even actions. War allows those who exist amongst us who have a general disposition towards hurting other people and enjoying their "blood lust" to have an outlet where they are more than likely to get away with it. This will be true of EVERY NATION, RELIGION & PEOPLE ON EARTH. To base your contentions or view around a specific war simply around the acts of individual people who would be fucked up, evil sods no matter which side they are on is a very narrow way to view a situation and is, simply put, fraught with leaking holes.

One other thing. It isn't the Jews who you see in fundamentalist groups calling for the blood of "westerners" or "infidels". Don't be confused for one fucking minute. There are radical groups in Islam (which is, unfortunately, over -represented) who would happily slice your and my throats along with those of our partners, wives and children. They state it themselves. (Note - I am not talking about all Arabs or muslims here...there are many just like us). Have a look at some of the absolute atrocities that they are willing to perpetrate on "unbelievers" ...and they BELIEVE that they are honoring God by doing so. I don't recall EVER hearing of Israel talking about us (Westerners / non-Muslims) that way. In fact, they have traditionally looked at us as somewhat allies.

Don't believe me? Try travelling to Israel and then go visit some Fundamentalist Muslim states. Let me know your thoughts when/if you make it back alive.

I continue to be sad for the suffering of all of the many innocent people that inevitably get caught up in war, but I make absolutely no apology for my opposition of Hamas and any other groups like them, nor my support in general for Israel. I hope that cunt who (allegedly) is taking shots at Palestinian children get a lead enema.



The only type of Hummus I am into....

[Virago]

I wondered how long it would take for the "New World Order" conspiracy wankfest to surface.

[oldrider]

I wondered how long it would take for the "New World Order" conspiracy wankfest to surface.

Not very observant are you, it never left!

[R650R]

How about putting it all into CONTEXT.

Except the Jews/Israelis were never in Palestine in the preceding thousands of years of world history at all. The promised land was always just a fable in their version of the bible.
There are actually about 3-4 different sects of Jews from all over Europe and central asia and they lived a nomadic gypsy style existence, tolerated just by most old nations.

And with regards to someone elses post, they are not racist in the sense we know of. They don't hate the Palestinians because their arabs, they hate them because they are GOY (alien, as in the way maori use the term pakeha). Anyone who is not an Israeli is regarded as sub human Goy, something the poor americans will find out once the Israeli lobby over there is done bleeding them dry through subsidies and loans...

And in todays news it seems the bloodied baby killing money of Israel is as good as anyone elses money for our local Iwi.
They want to export Fish to them to keep those hungry soldiers well fed...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay...ectid=11305252

[mashman]

Shit .. a real cluster fuck ..

Succinctly put... but not a cluster fuck as all is going according to plan.

[oldrider]

Hows this for demonstrating who is the tail and who is the dog between Israel and the US!

Netenyahu puts Obama firmly in his place! http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08...pet-of-israel/

United States of ISRAEL and maybe America, please Ben I promise be a good boy and do as you say!

[mashman]

Hows this for demonstrating who is the tail and who is the dog between Israel and the US!

Netenyahu puts Obama firmly in his place! http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08...pet-of-israel/

United States of ISRAEL and maybe America, please Ben I promise be a good boy and do as you say!

There's only 1 quick way I can think of to remove the vast majority of their toys. Who knows, they may even see the point in it and just enjoy what they have blah blah blah money rant with reason blah blah blah.

[oldrider]

Alison Weir an unbiased American who just stumbled into the situation in Palestine and was compelled to explore the reality and the history from the beginning!

Hear her story about "The hidden history of how the United States was used to create Israel". (it is long you can begin just before halfway and still get the gist)

Link: http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/alis...ed-to-cre.html

If you are interested in this subject it is very interesting to hear her compilation of historic events and outcomes.

[AllanB]

That side of the World and their beliefs are vastly different to old NZ. Ditto a pile of other countries repeatedly maiming each other over religion or land.

Pointless trying to rationalize it with 'our' way of living as it is fundamentally different.