I would like to apologise for being a westerner

[oldrider]

1st bit - Rather wide question to tackle in this post given my current time...needless to say, a bit complicated.

2nd - yes I would, and that swings both ways. I go back to exactly WHO it was that through the first stone and continues to do so.

IMHO that is a fair and historically valid question.

Prior to the commencement of clandestine (Zionist inspired) terrorist activities in Palestine (first under Ottoman then British rule) the mixed people of Palestine were living in relatively peaceful coexistence!

Link to list of terrorist atrocities: http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm

And here (there are so many!) : http://www.wrmea.org/wrmea-archives/...un-and-lehi-ga

Therefore it would be factually and historically correct to suggest that it was the physical founders (Zionists) of the current Israel nation that cast the first stone!

[ellipsis]

...maybe it was the stone that David , the True King of the Israelites, slung and slew Goliath, when Sauls army faced the Philistines near the Valley of Elah...if so, weeeeeel...

[Banditbandit]

A quick question, has there ever been democracy in the arab/muslim world? What do you think happens to peoples perceptions of the west when democracy is suppressed and countries such as UK/US support mass murderers?
Lastly, hundreds of thousands of people witness their family members getting blown up, killed and maimed, if it was you - you wouldn't seek revenge?

Yes ... Egypt had elections recently - (post-Mubarak) the Muslim Brotherhood won ... and then were thrown out by the army ...

Gaza had elections - Hamas won ... the western powers then branded them "terrorists" ...

[Brett]

I doubt that even the Israelis or Palestinians remember who threw the first stone.

It's a bit rich you suggesting that you know with any degree of certainty.

I never said I knew with any significant degree of certainty. I know enough to have formed my own opinion which I am very much entitled to do. I also go back very simply to exactly who it is that keeps wanting to rub myself and my family and friends from this earth...and it ain't the Jews.

[oldrider]

I never said I knew with any significant degree of certainty. I know enough to have formed my own opinion which I am very much entitled to do. I also go back very simply to exactly who it is that keeps wanting to rub myself and my family and friends from this earth...and it ain't the Jews.

Jews who are Zionist leaders may dispute your opinions but not your right to hold and voice them, at least for the time being anyway. Just don't get in their way!

[ellipsis]

wipe (us infidels) from this earth...and it ain't the Jews.

...that is the avowed policy of our muslim 'friends', and we should not forget it...payback from 1099 and what followed...

[oldrider]

Otago Daily Times Article today!: http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/31...ells-his-story

Sad story true! ... Feel real sympathy but it says this:

"A holocaust survivor visiting Dunedin hopes sharing his experience will help ensure the horrors he experienced are not repeated".

So why doesn't he stay at home in Israel and preach to people (His own people) who are doing it all again in Gaza?

[Brett]

Cease-fire broken again...guess by who.....

[mashman]

Cease-fire broken again...guess by who.....

Israeli special forces firing rockets from Gaza into Israel?

[unstuck]

Cease-fire broken again...guess by who.....

Ronald Mcdonald?

[oldrider]

Cease-fire broken again...guess by who.....

Israeli special forces firing rockets from Gaza into Israel?

Well yes, they are the only ones who can get any benefit out of it ... the Palestinians are screwed down so fucking tight!

It gives Israel a legitimacy to continue their destruction and genocidal butchery of the Palestinians, once and for all!

Maybe it was them all along!

[mashman]

Well yes, they are the only ones who can get any benefit out of it ... the Palestinians are screwed down so fucking tight!

It gives Israel a legitimacy to continue their destruction and genocidal butchery of the Palestinians, once and for all!

Maybe it was them all along!

Do you reckon they really destroyed the tunnels? If you went to war to prevent war (it's possible if you think about it $$$$$$$$$$$), you wouldn't destroy them would you. You'd make sure that you controlled them as they are a trade route (I remember seeing a piece on the tunnels and how they ship goods into Palestine. KFC. Delivered. Damn they're civilised.). Some tactics never change. They're a money spinner whichever way you look at them (from weapons sales, to GST on goods coming through the tunnels... after all, if you let them die it's genocide. The only legitimate alternative is war.).

[mashman]

Ronald Mcdonald?

Nah. Sideshow Bob Just smooth the hair back and add makeup and a costume .

[unstuck]

Nah. Sideshow Bob Just smooth the hair back and add makeup and a costume .

Meh, they are all clowns in a freak show anyway.

[Hinny]

their neighbours took the first strike, Israel finished the fight.

Who started the Six day war?
According to the US Office of Current Intelligence, Wikipedia et. al. it was Israel.
The Israeli Navy started the operation with a probe of Egyptian Naval defences.
The Air Force attacked Egyptian Airfields and the Army invaded the Egyptian defencive positions in the Gaza strip and Sinai desert.