AA's Mike Noon does not represent me! neither as a motorist or a motorcyclist!

[R650R]

The popo wanna play wiv tech to increase revenue and let it do the work for them?........BRING IT!! ....but best they remember, there are MUCH bigger & smarter fish in the world of tech...and they just fucking LOVE new technology that's built on a budget, and thrown into the real world to screw people over!, that makes the tech fair game for ethical hacking!.....so let the police start a little tech war!...I sure as shit know who MY moneys on

as I said...BRING IT ON!...hackers paradise soon, no REAL cops on the roads, and just some kiddy scripts to run to unlock unlimited fun!
...don't see the limitations folks...just focus on the HUGE BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS holes in there plan...and expand them & Share the Knowledge so others can break there BS revenue collection systems

Interesting but couple of things.
The flash sync over exposure thing, stuff like that is clever until... you realise all the following traffic will see a massive flash/light source eminate from your vehicle. And if there's not any cops in traffic stream then someone with cellphone will nab you.

The IR thing is clever except it will show up on every cctv camera in town unless only activating on traffic camera.

And with both systems it would be pretty hard to cleanly install without being detected at WOF or checkpoints. I'm sure the cops would soon step up checks on stuff like that if the tech war goes past lawn mover choke cables and springs on number plates

With the new digital cameras I suspect they would bracket there exposures if the camera detects a problem and if not a simple firmware upgrade would enable that. There is also often plenty of spill light from other sources that even at night still allows IR cameras to get an image with out extra illumination. Then if the manufacturers use a RAW file format for the image capture there is significant exposure leeway there also.
All fun to theorise about but its all moving faster than we think.
Soon our cellphones will be our defacto ID cards/licenses whether we like it or not. The Govt will mandate that we carry our cellphones and that they be switched on at all times. Any person who doesn't have their phone on them or in a vehicle will be deemed a terrorist/criminal/fugitive and trigger an alert to stop and search.
Anyway the system will just read your cellphone id as you pass the traffic cam and prob autobill you.
A new phone app has been trialled by NZ trucking companies as an electronic logbook, once that has been accepted by industry and law enforcement fully (within two years I reckon) all motorists will be forced to have a similar app without the worktime restrictions obviously but all the location and speed data.
There will be an outcry but they'll say you have nothing to worry about unless you speed etc...

[shards]

The worrying part is if they base it on the "Travel Time" listed ... between various towns/cities on most road maps and various travel publications.

Most motorcyclists ... on even the smaller machines should still easily better those quoted times.

That's exactly what they will do! How else are they going to make enough $$ to make this work.

[pritch]

Point to point will be on a long revenue earning straight about 5 km long and likely have a passing lane or 2 in it.

I think this is more like it. They won't have one in New Plymouth and another one in Auckland. They may well have them on the motorways in and out of Auckland and Wellington. Expect them to appear on long straights with no exits between the cameras.

Some people like to travel so as to average 2ks per minute. Obviously this doesn't include coffee or fuel stops. On one memorable day on the West Coast I spotted a group of Ducati riders partaking of their Tourismo and who apparently had rather higher ambition than 2 ks per minute.

Then again I wouldn't expect to be seeing these cameras around Bruce Bay or Franz Joseph.

[Berries]

If it is solely based on a simple point to point distance/time (eg: 100 km/less than one hour) those that do get caught ... probably deserve it. (I wonder if they will include the tolerance )

As said elsewhere, it will more likely be two cameras 2km apart and if you hit them less than 3.46 minutes apart or whatever you get a ticket. If you never speed you will be alright. And a liar.

The worrying part is if they base it on the "Travel Time" listed ... between various towns/cities on most road maps and various travel publications.

Most motorcyclists ... on even the smaller machines should still easily better those quoted times.

Most car drivers will beat those times without exceeding the speed limit once, being based on 80km/h and allowing rest stops every two hours etc etc. What you are suggesting is people being issued with tickets for speeding when they have not exceeded the speed limit based on a vague estimate of time made up by someone many years ago, probably on the back of a fag packet. Not entirely clear how that would work (in an ideal uncorrupted world).

Next people will be starting rumours about the Police enforcing advisory speeds on corners.

[FJRider]

As said elsewhere, it will more likely be two cameras 2km apart and if you hit them less than 3.46 minutes apart or whatever you get a ticket. If you never speed you will be alright. And a liar.

Plate recognition cameras will be the big game changer .. no human involvement in the process. Between cameras anywhere. Regardless of distance. The computer logs the initial "sighting" ... and later "sighting(s)" ... and then you "Get Mail" ...

Next people will be starting rumours about the Police enforcing advisory speeds on corners.

With increasing numbers of motorists that crash after "Losing control on corners" ... a minor change in legislation is all that's needed to initiate such enforcement.

Already ... exceeding advised corner speed is mentioned in/after Police investigations following accidents on corners. Reckless/dangerous driving charges can arise from such.

[Berries]

.. a minor change in legislation is all that's needed to initiate such enforcement.

You would need to survey every signed corner in the country before that could happen. You can't be fining people and giving them demerit points based on the fact that Fat Bob only had a 55 sign sitting in the yard when he was asked for a 65 on a curve that was actually measured as borderline 75. Proper speed limits go through a process that is a little bit more involved than that.

[FJRider]

You would need to survey every signed corner in the country before that could happen. You can't be fining people and giving them demerit points based on the fact that Fat Bob only had a 55 sign sitting in the yard when he was asked for a 65 on a curve that was actually measured as borderline 75. Proper speed limits go through a process that is a little bit more involved than that.

But ... you CAN be fined for exceeding a posted speed limit.

The creation of new speed zones to include "Dangerous" roads ... is actually not that difficult.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/sp...limits-nz.html

All in the interest of Public Safety ... of course ...

[MVnut]

Yep 100k is hard to average....did 4200k in Europe with no main roads averaged 89.8k, plenty fun though

[Berries]

But ... you CAN be fined for exceeding a posted speed limit.

A posted speed limit and an advisory speed are two entirely different things. You cannot be fined for exceeding an advisory speed. Something to do with the word 'advisory' I believe.

[Ocean1]

Something to do with the word 'advisory' I believe.

And really, can we be blamed for failing to take bad advice?

[jellywrestler]

Pretty fucken hard to average higher than the limit on most road riding. One gas stop and you go from a fucking optimistic 120kph average, to less than 100. Get better than 120 and ya need to stop more often.

We worked out once, that 140 on the straights is about tops to sit at without using too much gas. And even being a fast rider, 540km still took 6h15m. No pissing about stops, and the rider in question is fucken handy and intent on getting there asap.

they won't be doing it from here to levin, it will be things like a two kilometer part of a straight road, simple and sensible that way

[R650R]

Here is the system that was already in use in UK when I was there. Surprised the website hasn't been updated or maybe its a different contractor but there is also a system that plugs into the electronic motorway signs. you know the ones they just spent 15 million on few years back to impart great wisdom such as "winter driving conditions" "delays ahead"....
Its only a matter of how much the govt wants to invest in it...

http://www.vysionics.com/Permanent-Specs/

As for surveying corners, they already are. The advisory speeds signs were derived from an inspector travelling in a morris minor 1100 with some kind of table and golf ball arrangement on dash board. The advisory speed is one which at or below the ball doesn't roll. There are a few that probably have been randomly interfered with by local authorities/transit subject to changes.

They were threatening trucks with enforcement awhile back as they are supposed to travel 10k below the posted recommendation. They are mapped on Eroad GPS systems too and have heard of guys on permits being told off for exceeding.

[Berries]

As for surveying corners, they already are.

I know, I do them which is why I know how vague they are and how they cannot be enforced. This is what I use, I think Barnes Wallis was involved in the design -

[nosebleed]

...A new phone app has been trialled by NZ trucking companies as an electronic logbook...

Do you have any links or hookups in regard to this App.

As a utility maintenance contractor we run a large fleet of vehicles some of which fall within NZTA heavy vehicle guidelines.
Because we are responsible for a workforce maintaining a High Voltage network we also need run our own fatigue management structure.
Being a purely manual process the overlap on the two policies is cumbersome.

I'm quite interested to see if this App can assist us, or at least shed some light on simplifying our issue


Thanks

[R650R]

Do you have any links or hookups in regard to this App.

As a utility maintenance contractor we run a large fleet of vehicles some of which fall within NZTA heavy vehicle guidelines.
Because we are responsible for a workforce maintaining a High Voltage network we also need run our own fatigue management structure.
Being a purely manual process the overlap on the two policies is cumbersome.

I'm quite interested to see if this App can assist us, or at least shed some light on simplifying our issue


Thanks

Was in July issue of Diesel Talk a small publication by automedia group.
The system is made by Eroad who are also one of the major GPS electronic RUC system providers.
Google driver 2.0 app should bring it up.
Just re read and been approved already by LTSA and cops.

Be aware that once this technology is implemented to ensure you meet all your obligations under chain of responsibility as its like having a policeman in the cab taking notes.