My guess is that you didn't see those phrases in the book? Maybe you should actually read it?Originally Posted by Oscar
Geriatric hoon
My guess is that you didn't see those phrases in the book? Maybe you should actually read it?
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Low personal B.M.E.P.
Interesting - if and when i write one, I'll ensure you get a copy...
If you mean those opinions I have put forward here on KB, then sure I'm vehemently, maybe rabidly anti Tory....I grew up under a succession of tory governments and NEVER want to see that shit again. The only good thing about MMP is that we're highhly unlikely to ever see a totally Tory government again. But the current bunch of ministers have shown just how overconfident, not to mention promoted past their competency level, a second term Toryish government can be. Give them a second term and they immediately cry "mandate" and start acting like despots in their departments....And that's written from experience in Govt and quasi Govt departments.
Most of what has come out so far looks like people who should have known better thinking they could get away with actions which were highly questionable just because they were in government....
Bogeyman
When it comes to political parties I see only behaviour justified by dramatically polarised opinion. I don't, in general expect them to conform to my own ideas about how they should behave, because politicians long since stopped representing their constituents in the traditional sense and for many years have simply bought their votes wholesale.
I don't, in particular expect the front line troops of any such polarised, necessarily confrontational group to behave other than exactly that, combatants. It's nonsense to suggest that any one party behaves differently in that respect to any other, have you forgotten the very similar odour of the later Clarke govt?
It's fine that you don't like your picture of Tory politics, I probably wouldn't either, was it mine. And your use of the Tory label alone hints at the shape of your own picture. But you must be aware that your picture is quite different to others', and that as a rationalising human your picture is no more likely to be accurate than anyone else's.
Which was all I was saying, really, all of us have a picture that's less than perfect, and we always interpret information in ways that conform to our picture. So having established years ago that Hager's own picture is one of the extreme political left and that he expresses that picture in almost exclusively anti-right terms I can't see any reason to attribute any more credibility to him than I would any other obviously political activist. Including those of the right.
Of which I'm not a member, by the way.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Highway Biker
Spman: Hager does have a BSc in Physics and a BA (Hon) in Philosophy, for what it's worth.
Spman: So...to be a journalist, you have to go to Journalism school do you, and be trained in the proper, respectful way of writing about your betters and your elders, - what a crock of fucking shit!
You.
Are.
Retarded.
Aio ki te Aorangi
Pot... Kettle... Artichoke.
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
Forum whore
It doesn't matter what qualifications he got at communist finishing school, he is only useful for low quality dogfood.
Aio ki te Aorangi
Yeah, but what about the information imparted?
Forum whore
So who is this mystery hacker? Why doesn't he have the intestinal fortitude to disclose who he is and his political affiliations? ( Similar scenario to snipers on forums hiding behind their forum names ) And why when clearly EVERY political party has dirt has the National party and its leader ONLY been targeted and very close to the election? The answers are obvious.
With this going on and also the actions of that obese and obnoxious Hun we could be headed towards a ''Government'' composed of a motley grouping of left wing and racist agenda parties devoid of any sense of fiscal responsibility. That will clearly show just how stupid we can be.
Fair weather rider
"don't panic Mr Taylor .... don't panic" lol i don't think labour have a shit show
dude I didn't realize you were so Right leaning - if people bothered to look at the authors history you find he attacks the then government, he doesn't hide the fact he's left leaning, however his previous books have attacked the government of the day - left and right governments, not the opposition parties
He believes in holding them to account in their standards - no matter what side of the middle ground they are
I don't believe for a minute labour is clean or above all this
Robert: if you had an employee who sat around most of the time gossiping, upsetting people, emailing their mates and passing on info to them .... going to china for dinner with their partners mates ..... rather than doing the job you employed them for, you'd sack them
Question is; what do we pay their salaries for? not for all this bullshit they're up to
Message for politicians; get on and do the job of the government and stop spending so much time and resources on all this negative bullshit
Live long and prosper ……………… or ride a motorbike
Geriatric hoon
Golly! That is what he is famous for, second only to the quality of his suspension work of course.
If Maggie Thatcher was alive he'd be following her on Twitter.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Bogeyman
Now, I wonder what the correlation is between one's political leanings and the quality of one's work...
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Geriatric hoon
Probably none but then there's this:Now, I wonder what the correlation is between one's political leanings and the quality of one's work...
While working in the flower beds in the front yard, my neighbours stopped to chat as they returned home from walking their dog.
During our friendly conversation, I asked their 12 year old daughter what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be Prime Minister someday.
Both of her parents who are Labour supporters were standing there, so I asked her, "If you were Prime Minister what would be the first thing you would do?"
She replied, "I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people."
Her parents beamed with pride!
"Wow! what a worthy goal!" I said. "But you don't have to wait until you're Prime Minister to do that!" I told her.
"What do you mean?" she replied.
So I told her, "You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and trim my hedge, and I'll pay you $50. Then you can go over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house."
She thought that over for a few seconds, then she asked, "Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?"
I said, "Welcome to the National Party."
Her parents aren't speaking to me, anymore.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Anarchic Wild Child
"You must spread ..." .. all too true ..When it comes to political parties I see only behaviour justified by dramatically polarised opinion. I don't, in general expect them to conform to my own ideas about how they should behave, because politicians long since stopped representing their constituents in the traditional sense and for many years have simply bought their votes wholesale.
I don't, in particular expect the front line troops of any such polarised, necessarily confrontational group to behave other than exactly that, combatants. It's nonsense to suggest that any one party behaves differently in that respect to any other, have you forgotten the very similar odour of the later Clarke govt?
It's fine that you don't like your picture of Tory politics, I probably wouldn't either, was it mine. And your use of the Tory label alone hints at the shape of your own picture. But you must be aware that your picture is quite different to others', and that as a rationalising human your picture is no more likely to be accurate than anyone else's.
Which was all I was saying, really, all of us have a picture that's less than perfect, and we always interpret information in ways that conform to our picture. So having established years ago that Hager's own picture is one of the extreme political left and that he expresses that picture in almost exclusively anti-right terms I can't see any reason to attribute any more credibility to him than I would any other obviously political activist. Including those of the right.
Of which I'm not a member, by the way.
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
Golly! That is what he is famous for, second only to the quality of his suspension work of course.
If Maggie Thatcher was alive he'd be following her on Twitter.
Naaaa .. Maggie was a little too liberal for our Robert ..
See your own previous post - that would depend on which picture of the world they are being judged against would it not?Now, I wonder what the correlation is between one's political leanings and the quality of one's work...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
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