Truck driver shortage - true or false?

[Akzle]

yes i know about the seeds ya plonker.........i never said males produce seeds..........go back to ya bong fella

...as the male has virtually no psyhcoactive properties and neither do the seeds...

you what now? you're either not good at english or you're just daft on this.
and i'm sure you mentioned something about oil i the seed heads - again, not a male trait.
bong for lunch, excellent idea sir.

[Grubber]

Then perhaps you would do well to remember that before condemning all those who just had a joint on the weekend...

I condemn them because i know it ends up in my yard the next day and it hardly ever ends up being a weekend only in my experience.

[bogan]

I condemn them because i know it ends up in my yard the next day and it hardly ever ends up being a weekend only in my experience.

The next day? you make your guys work sat/sun with no advance notice?

So condemn those who turn up to work stoned, don't condemn everyone who has a joint ever just cos some of them are twats. I mean getting on that freight train of judgement, it would make me a 'better person'^TM than what, 80% of NZ? since I don't drink even on weekends; how about you, you drink ever on weekends, or heaven forbid, a weeknight?

[caspernz]

Well this debate has gone way off topic. Drug testing in the transport industry has its place. It's a shotgun type of approach though, for the length of time cannabis shows traces in the body is way out of kilter with the modern synthetic stuff which you can supposedly use on a Saturday and be "clean" on Monday thereafter. The demeanour of the individual changes over time though, some become relaxed to the point of making lots of little mistakes, sometimes leading to one big one. Other fellas I've seen become aggressive and neurotic, a bit like some of the posters on this thread.

The sad part is that I also know a few long time occasional cannabis smokers who seem sweet as a nut, but since they can now no longer pass the drug test, they end up in other professions.

I don't know what the answer is, but letting a drugged operator loose with heavy equipment surely isn't the preferred option?

[Bikemad]

you what now? you're either not good at english or you're just daft on this.
and i'm sure you mentioned something about oil i the seed heads - again, not a male trait.
bong for lunch, excellent idea sir.

i just didn't think i had to point out the seeds were from the female ya knob......you being the resident stoner exspurt n all......the oil reference was about biodiesel which can be refined from the crushed seeds as i understand it.......are we clear now............or are ya eyes and memory still a little hazy.........go on toke up large man........hey at least you will be unlikely to suffer from glaucoma in your future

[Akzle]

...way out of kilter with the modern synthetic stuff which you can supposedly use on a Saturday and be "clean" on Monday thereafter.

never mind the modern stuff. smokin good old crack... metabolises quickly, basically, if you're not high, you'll pass a test. great stuff!

[Grubber]

Well this debate has gone way off topic. Drug testing in the transport industry has its place. It's a shotgun type of approach though, for the length of time cannabis shows traces in the body is way out of kilter with the modern synthetic stuff which you can supposedly use on a Saturday and be "clean" on Monday thereafter. The demeanour of the individual changes over time though, some become relaxed to the point of making lots of little mistakes, sometimes leading to one big one. Other fellas I've seen become aggressive and neurotic, a bit like some of the posters on this thread.

The sad part is that I also know a few long time occasional cannabis smokers who seem sweet as a nut, but since they can now no longer pass the drug test, they end up in other professions.

I don't know what the answer is, but letting a drugged operator loose with heavy equipment surely isn't the preferred option?

Seems about as good as can be said.
My moto is if ya dont like it move to another profession, cause we dont need it on our roads or in our industry for sure.
One has a toke to get high, if you all think this is the condition appropriate to operate heavy equipment on public roads, then best ya stick to a desk job.


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[bogan]

One has a toke to get high, if you all think this is the condition appropriate to operate heavy equipment on public roads, then best ya stick to a desk job.

One has a drink to get drunk, if you all think this is the condition appropriate to operate heavy equipment on public roads, then best ya stick to a desk job.

Funny how different the two are seen by drinkers but not stoners compared to the three other groups...

[Grubber]

One has a drink to get drunk, if you all think this is the condition appropriate to operate heavy equipment on public roads, then best ya stick to a desk job.

Funny how different the two are seen by drinkers but not stoners compared to the three other groups...

I beg to differ. Most people I know dont have a drink to get drunk.
Most people I know are not drunk after one drink or even 2 for that matter.
If you have had enough to be considered unable to operate a vehicle then you get sacked also. If you get caught on the road with more than a safe limit of alcohol then you get taken off the road.
I dont see how your argument is even similar.
I dont know anyone who has a toke and isnt high.
Quite diferent substances wouldn't you think.
I have no time for either, be it in a workplace or on the road.

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[Madness]

I dont know anyone who has a toke and isnt high...

Are you saying that in your opinion after one toke of a joint that person is likely to be as impaired as someone who is over the adult breath/alcohol limit? How many pot smokers do you know then Grubber? Apart from Blackdog, of course.

[Grubber]

How many pot smokers do you know then Grubber? Apart from Blackdog, of course.

More than I like. Ex drivers a good start.
Most of them have families including kids that are living on the poverty line because thier useless fathers spend all thier money on dope and alcohol.
In these cases it is mostly dope.
Sad really.

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[bogan]

I beg to differ. Most people I know dont have a drink to get drunk.
Most people I know are not drunk after one drink or even 2 for that matter.
If you have had enough to be considered unable to operate a vehicle then you get sacked also. If you get caught on the road with more than a safe limit of alcohol then you get taken off the road.
I dont see how your argument is even similar.
I dont know anyone who has a toke and isnt high.
Quite diferent substances wouldn't you think.
I have no time for either, be it in a workplace or on the road.

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It is similar because the level of impairment for someone who get stoned on friday vs someone who gets pissed on friday will be the same come monday morning; yet only one of these people will fail a drug test and get fired.

Different substances for sure, but they are both drugs and people use and abuse them accordingly.

Or to put it another way, if pot was legal, would a failed drug test for pot in system still be grounds for termination of employment? or would some changes be required?

[Grubber]

Random tests are subject to levels testing after initial test. This determines if you keep your job or not. Same as with alcohol. Drug testing prior to starting determines if you will get a job or not.
Therefore if you have a toke Friday night and get tested Monday, if it shows low ammounts you get stood down for 5 days and retested. If you fail then your gone.
Think it a pretty fair system to be honest.
Gives people a chance to clean up and earn a good living.

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[Madness]

Most of them have families including kids that are living on the poverty line because thier useless fathers spend all thier money on dope and alcohol.
In these cases it is mostly dope.
Sad really.

Sad indeed I agree, it grows like a weed and nobody should have to pay for it. That's just plain criminal in itself.

[Madness]

Therefore if you have a toke Friday night and get tested Monday, if it shows low ammounts you get stood down for 5 days and retested. If you fail then your gone.

So after the 5 day period the second test won't show up any resulting traces of Cannabis from use 5 days or more prior then? Nada?