Truck driver shortage - true or false?

[Madness]

Madness!
Its painfully obvious you and Bogan are tokes up.
You have missed virtually any connection or point that has ever been made by either myaelf or anyone else.
You will never get it.
You states there was no laws against canabis years ago, the same as I pointed out for alcohol also. There is now for alcohol and also canabis. Did you miss that point somewhere.
Jeez what the fuck is your point ya goof.
Im gonna move on as I am bored with your rubbish now.
Maybe the 2 of you can scrap amongst yourselves.
All you seem to be keen om doing is hurley pointleas abuse really. Slightly teenage material.

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Thick as pigshit, aren't ya Groober? Oh well, someone has to shift dem onions I suppose.

You launch a personal attack on a company. Care to put your real name forward .

Get fucked. Care to stop being a fucking hypocrite?

[bogan]

Madness!
Its painfully obvious you and Bogan are tokes up.
You have missed virtually any connection or point that has ever been made by either myaelf or anyone else.
You will never get it.
You states there was no laws against canabis years ago, the same as I pointed out for alcohol also. There is now for alcohol and also canabis. Did you miss that point somewhere.
Jeez what the fuck is your point ya goof.
Im gonna move on as I am bored with your rubbish now.
Maybe the 2 of you can scrap amongst yourselves.
All you seem to be keen om doing is hurley pointleas abuse really. Slightly teenage material.

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Huh, so much for your ability to pick the dopeheads I've never toked up or otherwise got high on dope in my life.

I'm still waiting on the numerical limits you work to so we can investigate how the levels of impairment are obtained and margins for errors etc. Cos I'm betting it'll be just like the example you implied was caused by pot, which the judge said "There is no evidence it had a causitive effect". Guess it is no wonder you're trying to move on as your baseless prejudices have been clearly exposed now.

[caspernz]

Well thank you gents for an amusing read

I wonder if the OP still has plans on furthering his entry into the realm of trucking when the subject of drug testing evokes such misguided passion on both sides of the fence?

Is drug testing fair compared to testing for alcohol? Of course not, but the transport operator doesn't make the rules, they're just expected to comply. Bit like arguing with a Police officer kerbside why 120 km/h isn't really speeding because the limit should be higher

I had a nice ride today, shame some of you spent a lot of time pissing in the wind

[Bikemad]

Well thank you gents for an amusing read

I wonder if the OP still has plans on furthering his entry into the realm of trucking when the subject of drug testing evokes such misguided passion on both sides of the fence?

Is drug testing fair compared to testing for alcohol? Of course not, but the transport operator doesn't make the rules, they're just expected to comply. Bit like arguing with a Police officer kerbside why 120 km/h isn't really speeding because the limit should be higher

I had a nice ride today, shame some of you spent a lot of time pissing in the wind

best post so far.............sadly the stoners will never get the point...........the whole worlds against them..........paranoid fucktards

[unstuck]

best post so far.............sadly the stoners will never get the point...........the whole worlds against them..........paranoid fucktards

What a fuckwit statement.

Heaps of truck driving jobs down here for anyone who wants to work for $16.50- $18.50 pr hr. Most of the transport operators down here are hiring at the moment.

[Bikemad]

yeah sorry bout that........not my best work but in my defence i was a tad impaired....Go the Warriors
heres one for the stoner advocates to think on
Lets say your child is in hospital about to undergo life threatening surgery on a monday morning.Ten minutes before the op you learn the surgeon has just failed a drug test and admits to having a spliff and a couple of jugs on Saturday night.Its all good says the hospital,we don't think he is "impaired "although they can offer no real proof of this,just opinion.They have another surgeon available with the exact same skillset but he passed the drug test............now in all fairness,seems to be one of the advocates fav terms,which surgeon would you prefer to open up little johnny............more food for thought how many of you guys recall the phrase "short term memory loss"..........hell i bet some of you have even joked and laughed about it in the past usually a day or two after ya last toke.....i know i have....does this not display a level of impairment?

[bogan]

yeah sorry bout that........not my best work but in my defence i was a tad impaired....Go the Warriors
heres one for the stoner advocates to think on
Lets say your child is in hospital about to undergo life threatening surgery on a monday morning.Ten minutes before the op you learn the surgeon has just failed a drug test and admits to having a spliff and a couple of jugs on Saturday night.Its all good says the hospital,we don't think he is "impaired "although they can offer no real proof of this,just opinion.They have another surgeon available with the exact same skillset but he passed the drug test............now in all fairness,seems to be one of the advocates fav terms,which surgeon would you prefer to open up little johnny............more food for thought how many of you guys recall the phrase "short term memory loss"..........hell i bet some of you have even joked and laughed about it in the past usually a day or two after ya last toke.....i know i have....does this not display a level of impairment?

In all fairness, the couple of jugs concern me as much as the spliff...

Additionally, if it was in all fairness he wouldn't have failed the drug test and had the hospital not think he was impaired.

But yeh, I'd prefer the clean guy. An other thing I would prefer though, is a normal weight person to an obese one; does that mean fatties shouldn't be allowed to drive trucks?

[Bikemad]

In all fairness, the couple of jugs concern me as much as the spliff...

Additionally, if it was in all fairness he wouldn't have failed the drug test and had the hospital not think he was impaired.

But yeh, I'd prefer the clean guy. An other thing I would prefer though, is a normal weight person to an obese one; does that mean fatties shouldn't be allowed to drive trucks?

if the fatty is mentally impaired then no he shouldn't be allowed to drive anything i guess........

[bogan]

if the fatty is mentally impaired then no he shouldn't be allowed to drive anything i guess........

Neither should the guy who used drugs on the weekend, if he is mentally impaired That is what the whole thing boils down to; there is no need for emotionally charged hypotheticals, get straight to the point and start working on the core of the problem, impairment. How much of the drug is tested for? how much of the drug causes impairment? Seems the anti dope brigade have no more answers (and quite possibly less) to these simple questions than the potheads do.

[unstuck]

Have you been smoking? Of course you want the best for your kids, stoner or not, but to bring up that sort of an argument in a thread about truck driving kinda gives me the impression you are either a) stoned as a motherfucker, or b) dumb as a motherfucker. Not all stoners are paranoid fuckheads, just as all policemen are not money collecting assholes. I have been smoking weed for 30+ years, been driving trucks most of that time one way or another, never had an accident, never been caught speeding, never had an insecure load, in fact only ever been pulled over in a truck twice, once for a quick question about all the bees hanging around the truck, once for a log book check. My neighbor is a professional truck driver, works for a well respected transport operator, is very anti drugs, drinks to oblivion on the weekends watching the rugby, and has written off about 6 trucks in the last 10 years and killed a heap of cows in one crash against a train. Another drug hating employer down here forgot to tie a 20 tonner on the back of a transporter, and lost it over a bank which destroyed it. He had just caught an employee of his having a doobie with a mate on his day off and let his anger about drugs cloud his judgement. Drug test workers if you want, but include alcohol in that, otherwise it is an unfair test. Once you lump all potheads in the same basket, your no better than the little whiney bitches coming on here crying about all cops being assholes.

[Bikemad]

thats right Bogan...........the potheads have no real evidence to prove they aren't impaired,although you haven't commented on the short term memory thing i notice........but the reality is if you have NO detectable traces of THC in your system stands to reason you are not THC impaired........you may have other issues however
and Unstuck they do test for alcohol as well

[unstuck]

and Unstuck they do test for alcohol as well

Then how can most of the transport companies in our area keep operating? Just about every truck driver down this way are real pissheads and spend most weekends pissed to the eyeballs. The test must be wrong or ineffective. Or, if they find alcohol in someones system, they ignore it when the operator says "I had a hard weekend". But if they find thc in your system, there is a big song and dance about it. The shearing industry is starting to feel the effects of drug testing, they cannot find workers to fill the gaps now and is why not many contractors are willing to implement it in their gangs. Dont get me wrong though, if some dude rocks up for work stoned as a motherfucker, he should be getting a DCM, but we should be allowed a smoke on our time off, just like people are allowed a drink after work. There are people out there who should not be allowed near any vehicle full stop, let alone after a night out on the piss, or a couple of smokes with a mate. But I have my own truck, and do what I want, so dont really care. I look after my own saftey, and have got a good record for moving a lot of expensive machinery around the country. My biggest beef in this thread has been the lumping all pot smokers in the same basket, which IMO is a fucked up attitude to have.

[Bikemad]

Of course you want the best for your kids

but you are prepared to compromise this when it comes time for them to get a license and start driving it would seem
and you seem to forget.......that'll be the short term thing again.........pot is illegal...........booze isn't........hey i don't make the rules

[Madness]

pot is illegal

Testing positive for having traces in your system isn't though, is it?

hey i don't make the rules

Thank fuck for small mercies.

[bogan]

thats right Bogan...........the potheads have no real evidence to prove they aren't impaired,although you haven't commented on the short term memory thing i notice........but the reality is if you have NO detectable traces of THC in your system stands to reason you are not THC impaired........you may have other issues however
and Unstuck they do test for alcohol as well

Actually they do, but here I thought we went with the approach of innocent until proven guilty as well; silly me I guess I'm still waiting for groober to fill us in on the levels they test to so we can discuss impairment levels in that frame of reference. But it seems he would rather just lie about past incidents to support his prejudices instead.

Short term memory thing? I can't comment on that wrt dope as I don't use it (the dope that is, my short term memory gets a workout). Not sure if this counts, but yesterday I was doing a lot of skill sawing, using a straight edge as a guide, only once did I fuck up the measurement by using the value I wanted instead of the value I wanted minus the saw offset. So I guess my short term memory is pretty good fwiw.